Unearthed Arcana SRD - SCANNED

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Piratecat said:
Truth is, I think the best way for a group of people to do this legally is for each of them to go out and buy the book. They agree over email what is PI and what isn't, then either one person scans and combines those sections or everyone scans and edits their particular section of the book. After this, the legal collection of rules are combined by one person.

Whether doing this project without owning UA is respectful or not, please don't use EN World to organize a project that is illegal. Many thanks.
IIRC Piratecat, the original poster is discussing a project whose end result is perfectly legal according to the OGL. This discussion is how best to go about it and if the project can be achieved in a legal fashion. If it can't, I assume the conversation will end and he'll privately discuss with his minions how to illegally finish it. If it CAN be completed legally (which it should be able to) then it's perfectly fine.

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Swiftbrook said:
With or without Product Identity?

With?...No, don't mention it. You can't share it according to the discussion.

Without?...Don't just sit there, attach it to your next post! :D

-Swiftbrook


It's the book in .pdf form, although admittedly might have some typos and errata that were corrected before the book went to print. Since this was a pre-print copy that I got for assistance on editing and proofreading Siege on Ebonring Keep. So yes, it's everything.


I even have a word .doc that talks about what DiamondThrone is and is not supposed to be. Kind of an interesting read.
 

die_kluge said:
It's the book in .pdf form, although admittedly might have some typos and errata that were corrected before the book went to print. Since this was a pre-print copy that I got for assistance on editing and proofreading Siege on Ebonring Keep. So yes, it's everything.


I even have a word .doc that talks about what DiamondThrone is and is not supposed to be. Kind of an interesting read.
Ya know, it's the .doc file that interests me more *grin*

Hagen
 

resistor said:
I'm a little surprised at some of the fair use discussion going on here. In the filesharing world, it is a generally accepted fair use that distributing copies of a work between two people who already own it is not illegal.
Right, the precendent set by a group of people for the most part knowingly breaking the law defines legality. My understanding of copyright law (and I'm not a lawyer) is that it's pretty explicit - you may not duplicate and distribute something you do not own the rights to under any circumstances besides Fair Use. The question is whether or not this constitutes Fair Use... and I would most definitely say no. After all, all the formatting is property of WotC as well, since it's their work. Therefore, scanning it in and distributing only the OGL parts is still an infringement. If you typed it all out yourself, then it wouldn't be.

The argument runs something like this: when you buy a copy of a book/movie/song, you are actually purchasing two separate things. 1) a physical copy of the book/movie/song and 2) a license to use that book/movie/song.
Whoa there. Hold the horses. Point 2 is absolutely 100% wrong. The owner of the property owns the rights. The buyer does not. You can't buy a CD, and then use a song from it in a movie you make. That's copyright infringement. It's the same for fan fiction - fan fiction is a violation of the derivative works clause of copyright law, and thus illegal. That's why when you make a movie, or TV show, or any other publically spread work (outside of Fair Use), you need to acquire the rights to them.

Furthermore, just because the owner of the property doesn't contest the use doesn't mean he loses that right, until the copyright lapses.

I suggest you look up the 9th Circuit Ruling in MGM vs. Grokster. The judge affirms that in light of the history of fair-use, peer-to-peer networks are "capable of substantial or commercially significant noninfringing uses." This is the same issue.
No, it isn't at all. Just because something is capable of being used non-illegally doesn't make it's use legal in every case. Otherwise, I could go buy a gun and kill people, and by that argument be protected.

Did you know that you can't play a European DVD on an American DVD player? They DVD makers will try to tell you that you have to buy another copy for an American player because it's illegal to rip your DVD so you can watch it here. They're just blowing smoke, trying to scare people who don't know their fair-use rights.
No, it's actually illegal. The courts have upheld the rights of the movie industry (and gaming industry) to use region encoding. Look into Apex's early history, and what happened when they made a DVD player that bypassed the region encoding.

Just the same way, "No portion of this work other than the material designated as Open Game Content may be reproduced in any form without written permission." is the same kind of smoke. All huff and no puff. And, more importantly, legally unenforcable.
Wrong again. WotC not only has the right to protect their intellectual property, but that right is protected by US Copyright Law. It is very much legally enforceable, and I'm sure there are a number of distributors of said illegal content that would very much wish it were otherwise.
 

In theory, you can't even reproduce a copy of UA for your personal use. Why do you think that Wizards print "Permission is given to photocopy for personal use only" on their character sheets?

*buzzer* Wrong. There is this thing called "fair use". You can copy anything of yours for your own personal use.
 

die_kluge said:
If anyone wants it, email me

I'm just not comfortable posting it online, but I'll be happy to share it. There isn't any license, and it's not something you can buy, so it's not like he's losing money. It's basically condensed information from probably what is already in the book.

I don't think you should share that file without getting permission from Monte/Malhavoc Press.
 
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licences and contracts

IANAL, but Id'just like to point out that, unless tou live in Germany or somewhere with similar contract law.. This:


The OGL is a legal contract and, even if you're not making a profit off it, you need to properly understand it. (This is especially true when you might deprive someone else of a profit).
is completely wrong. The OGL is a licence, NOT a contract. These are very different things. As I understand it, a licence can only grant you more rights than you would normally have, wheras a contract can restrict them further. Due to this, you retain all the normal rights that you possess when you buy a normal book.
 
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Die Kluge, I have removed one of your posts. I wonder if you confused AU with UA, but either way it's a problem. When people start offering to share pdfs that are probably illegal to distribute, the thread goes klunk. I'm really surprised that it got to this point.

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