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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 7712574" data-attributes="member: 6787650">And that's just the problem. There's only &quot;DM fiat, especially when there are no consequences for failure&quot; and &quot;d20 roll.&quot; Any other kind of math is unsupported and non-idiomatic.But for the Str 16 vs. Str 15 guy, you're likely to feel kind of awkward if you rule that there is no check. I would, anyway. I can invent a check that works--a check that still feels like an arm-wrestling contest--by making the Str 15 guy count his margin of success against DC 16 (opponent's strength) to accumulate inches of success, and the Str 16 guy has to make his rolls against DC 15, and the first guy to 12 net inches wins. I can do that, and it works, but it's actually more awkward to do that in 5E than it would be in AD&amp;D, because 5E has this unified mechanic (&quot;[almost] everything is a d20 roll&quot;) which sometimes gets in the way more than it helps.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 7712574, member: 6787650"] And that's just the problem. There's only "DM fiat, especially when there are no consequences for failure" and "d20 roll." Any other kind of math is unsupported and non-idiomatic. But for the Str 16 vs. Str 15 guy, you're likely to feel kind of awkward if you rule that there is no check. I would, anyway. I can [I]invent[/I] a check that works--a check that still feels like an arm-wrestling contest--by making the Str 15 guy count his margin of success against DC 16 (opponent's strength) to accumulate inches of success, and the Str 16 guy has to make his rolls against DC 15, and the first guy to 12 net inches wins. I can do that, and it works, but it's actually more awkward to do that in 5E than it would be in AD&D, because 5E has this unified mechanic ("[almost] everything is a d20 roll") which sometimes gets in the way more than it helps. [/QUOTE]

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