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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8423743" data-attributes="member: 23751">That I don't agree with.  In 2e plate and shield were AC 2, which is what plate is by itself in 5e.  In 5e plate and shield would be the 2e equivalent of AC 0.  However, in 2e I could have an 18 dex and have an AC of -2 with plate and shield.  Further, if I had plate +5, a shield +5, and a ring of protection +3, my base 2e AC would be -10.  In 5e the best base armor class I can achieve is 26(plate+3 and shield +3), which would be equivalent to AC -6.Now for proficiency vs. THAC0.  In 2e only wizards went up so slow.  They got +6 to hit over 20 levels.  2e Fighters got +1 to hit per level past level 1, so at level 20 their proficiency would be +19.  Add in a +5 weapon, a 17 strength and specialization and they were swinging at +26 to hit.  They could roll a 2 and hit AC -8.  In 5e a 20th level fighter with a 20 strength. +6 proficiency and a +3 weapon still needs a 12 to in order to hit the AC of 26(-6).The math isn't the same.</blockquote>