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Message: <blockquote data-quote="overgeeked" data-source="post: 8423928" data-attributes="member: 86653">Point being that you find the cap by finding what's the highest possible DC to hit. If it's not possible in the entire game to get more than 50, that's clearly the cap. The highest ones you should worry about as the DM are 30. Just like the book says. I'm just trying to end this tangent as quickly as possible to get back to how awesome the plasmoids are.20th-level barbarians have STR24 +7.Storm giant is STR29 +9.No idea if there are feats or magic items or otherwise that give you bonuses to athletics. It's why I used picking locks. There's a magic item that gives you +5 on the check. Even a girdle of storm giant strength only gives you a +4 above the normal cap. So that would be a total of 49 for athletics.</blockquote>