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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mannahnin" data-source="post: 9216216" data-attributes="member: 7026594">For certain values of "a lot of people", sure.  I remember quite well. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Oh, we're limiting Verhoeven's input to the visuals? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Yes, it's probably best to reference the writer given Verhoeven's comments about not reading the book. Absolutely agreed about them countering the surface appeal of militarism. But most of that they were getting from other sources, like visually referencing Hugo Boss. Or the blue-eyed aryan protagonist they swapped in to replace the book's Filipino one. There are of course other fiction responses to Starship Troopers that make points more directly to and contrary to those in ST- Haldeman's The Forever War, especially.  And to a lesser extent John Steakley's Armor.  Both of which are wonderful.Exactly and of course.  None of the movie characters understand that they're in a dystopia.  As I said, he was climbing on his own hobby horse and using mostly superficial elements of the book, and some totally changed elements (like all the suicidal and parodic fighting, mobs of disposable troops in minimal armor with rifles as opposed to disciplined and well-trained elite* power armored troops, Navy ships crashing into each other as opposed to expertly piloted by mostly-female Captains and crew, etc.), to make his fun anti-Fash points.(*Johnny at the point of court-martial for disregarding training in a way which would have risked the life of one of his peers in actual combat)</blockquote>

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