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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kabouter Games" data-source="post: 7710424" data-attributes="member: 6788812">You guys are both missing the point. Nobody needs to spend a single, shiny (or dull) coppery cent to play D&D. Not. One. Cent. Sure, you can buy all that stuff for 5e. But you don't have to. I was running D&D Next for the playtest, then with with the free PDFs from Wizards, long before I bought the PHB and DMG. I still don't have a MM, because I have the SRD. It's not as though you must have all of that folderol before you can play. That is simply not true. As both of you have noted, D&D can be expensive, but only if you want it to be. When one complains about pricing of impulse-buy stuff one doesn't at all need in order to do enjoy the game, I can't help but say, "Dude, really? Don't want it, don't buy it. You don't need it, so what's your beef?" In order to participate in any of the hobbies I can bring to mind or that Dr Bad Wolf lists, you must - MUST, there is no option - spend something to do anything with the activity, to even begin.That is the point. You can play D&D for FREE for EVER, for the rest of your life, after never having spent a single penny on it to begin with. There is no other game-based hobby I'm aware of where you can do that.The SCA, for example, has gotten a lot better about its armor requirements. You can't get a helm for $100 anymore, at least one that a responsible marshal will approve. Besides, you're still talking about all the other armor as well as the helmet. That's a couple hundred bucks before you can even authorize, because you can't use loaner gear forever. And since authorization is the beginning, you have to spend money. What we're talking about here is someone who has everything he needs to fight, like one of the <a href="http://casiberia.com/product/hinged-combat-helm-14g-large/ah2108" target="_blank">Paul Chen monstrosities</a>, bitching because he can't afford a <a href="http://www.windrosearmoury.com/zc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_8&products_id=938" target="_blank">Windrose bascinet</a>, implying or outright saying that Windrose's pricing is somehow out of whack.That's a second point - "I can't afford it" is not a legitimate criticism of a product's price, especially when your explanation of why you can't afford it shows you can't really afford to do much at all. I'm sorry for you, because I've been there, and it sucks. But it by no means proves that access to the app in question on a subscription basis is somehow objectionable.When you add it up, it makes bitching about expense petty and whiny, an exercise of "O! Alas! Look at poor lil' ol' me, too poor to afford this luxury item I don't really need to enjoy my hobby!" I find that a little preposterous. Cheers,Bob</blockquote>

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