Upper Krust, where are you? [Immortal's Handbook]

[Anubis]

It was the ruling from about the Necklace of Fireballs that made it tough for me. I've always played that only one can be used at a time, so that ruling took me totally by surprise. If I had it to do over again, I would make sure to take care of that problem BEFORE moving Lu Bu in for the kill.

Without that ruling, which I still feel is a bit dicey in and of itself, you would have been dead already, guranteed.

As for my thoughts I've come up with . . . Here's a hint: equipment seems to play a bigger part in the ECL modifier than ANYTHING else.

Had we tested it with you playing the same character with only ECL +10, you would have been crushed royally. Playing ECL +14 instead gave you MUCH more equipment to work with.

Also, the difference between PC and NPC wealth is a major one. I'm ALMOST to the point of thinking that character with ECL should take equipment for their total class levels instead of their ECL.

I mean, when you think about it, the ONLY thing your character gains from ECL is wealth, nothing else. That said, you character could have been ECL +10 and been a PC, and would be doing the same as he is now with ECL +14 as an NPC.

That said, I have no intention to concede. Xun Huo WILL be triumphant over Incisor.

 

[Knight Otu]

I wondered if anyone would remember.

Someone always remembers.

Remember that Gods can take Improved Damage Reduction Salient Divine Ability.

Odin could have DR 411/+28 if he threw all his SDAs into DR.

True, but which self-respecting god would put every SDA into DR?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Anubis mate!

It was the ruling from about the Necklace of Fireballs that made it tough for me. I've always played that only one can be used at a time, so that ruling took me totally by surprise.

Even so all I needed to do was detonate one globe then volutarily fail my reflex save detonating the entire necklace - your character was still within range.

The Wall of Force ruling took me by surprise, so I guess we are equal on the 'surprised' count.

If I had it to do over again, I would make sure to take care of that problem BEFORE moving Lu Bu in for the kill.

If we were to go again I would change my tactics even though they have been successful up to now.

Without that ruling, which I still feel is a bit dicey in and of itself,

I already explained a secondary method of detonating the globes above.

Try not to dwell on it any more than I on your 'cash & carry' sure striking weaponry.

you would have been dead already, guranteed.

Unlikely. I simply would have changed my strategy.

As for my thoughts I've come up with . . . Here's a hint: equipment seems to play a bigger part in the ECL modifier than ANYTHING else.

That cuts both ways I am sure.

Had we tested it with you playing the same character with only ECL +10, you would have been crushed royally. Playing ECL +14 instead gave you MUCH more equipment to work with.

Nonsense! I could easily have made 21,000gp enough to kick tail.

Horn of Blasting - still not used. 12k
Boots of Speed - 9k (swop for a few Potions of Haste)
+1 Greataxe - still not used. 2k
Amulet of Natural Armour +2 - irrelevant given you need 20 to hit regardless. 8k
Change Bracers of Armour +3 to +2 - saved 5k.

Even with 59,000gp I still had less money than each of your four characters.

Also, the difference between PC and NPC wealth is a major one. I'm ALMOST to the point of thinking that character with ECL should take equipment for their total class levels instead of their ECL.

I mean, when you think about it, the ONLY thing your character gains from ECL is wealth, nothing else. That said, you character could have been ECL +10 and been a PC, and would be doing the same as he is now with ECL +14 as an NPC.

Even if we set this up with no magic items I have still proved my point.

That said, I have no intention to concede. Xun Huo WILL be triumphant over Incisor.

You want some...come get some.

 

[Anubis]

True, but which self-respecting god would put every SDA into DR?

One that didn't wanna ever get hit?

 

[Anubis]

Even so all I needed to do was detonate one globe then volutarily fail my reflex save detonating the entire necklace - your character was still within range.

True. Actually . . . Hmmm . . .

The Wall of Force ruling took me by surprise, so I guess we are equal on the 'surprised' count.

Why is that? No ruling was necessary. The spell's description in the PH explains everything. It says SR does not apply, and that the wall is nearly indestructible, listing a few specific spells that get rid of it. Simple. Why would upholding the rule by the book surprise you?

If we were to go again I would change my tactics even though they have been successful up to now.

I certainly know not to underestimate the power of the Necklace of Fireballs ever again. My players will be PISSED when I use this tactic against them. (The blow yourself up while immune to fire tactive, that is.)

Try not to dwell on it any more than I on your 'cash & carry' sure striking weaponry.

Except that IS standard. The way I see it, only people with little tactical sense don't invest in Sure Striking early. It's a sure way to get yourself killed. At least, that's how my games go.

Unlikely. I simply would have changed my strategy.

True.

That cuts both ways I am sure.

What I'm saying is that our test is testing a specific ECL, but taking wealth into consideration sway it. In all honesty, the best way to find the ECL, after all is said and done, which I have now figured out after seeing your *equipment* devastate my party . . . Extrapolate the numbers from the existing ECL modifiers! That's right . . . Take all the abilities of the Divine Ranks, and calculate them as if they were normal abilities!

I do wanna finish our little test, however, if anything to prove a point.

Nonsense! I could easily have made 21,000gp enough to kick tail.

Horn of Blasting - still not used. 12k
Boots of Speed - 9k (swop for a few Potions of Haste)
+1 Greataxe - still not used. 2k
Amulet of Natural Armour +2 - irrelevant given you need 20 to hit regardless. 8k
Change Bracers of Armour +3 to +2 - saved 5k.

Even with 59,000gp I still had less money than each of your four characters.

I guess I'll give you that.

You want some...come get some.

Oh, I will!

 

[Anubis]

You want some...come get some.

Actually, after figuring a simple little matter out . . . YOU'VE ALREADY LOST! Head over to see what will be the end of the battle!

I've got you now!

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Anubis mate!

Actually, after figuring a simple little matter out . . . YOU'VE ALREADY LOST! Head over to see what will be the end of the battle!

Unlikely...most unlikely!

I've got you now!

Don't count your chickens...

 

[Anubis]

Don't count your chickens...

Even if you get past the fireballs, you still have my trump card to deal with, and I seriously doubt you'll be able to defeat it.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Anubis mate!

Even if you get past the fireballs,

LOL!

you still have my trump card to deal with, and I seriously doubt you'll be able to defeat it.

I hear a lot of talk, but I don't see much action! Bring that bad boy ON!

 

[Knight Otu]

One that didn't wanna ever get hit?

Yeah, portfolio: Egoism