Upper Krust, where are you? [Immortal's Handbook]

[Upper_Krust]

Hi ranix65!

Awesome,

Hey thanks! I appreciate the interest!

where's it gonna be available and when's it gonna be done?

Initially it will be available in 4 .pdf sections (Apotheosis; Magic; Monsters; Campaigns) at www.rpgnow.com

After that I am confident it will be published in print form.

As to when it will be released is dependant on when WotC enter Deities & Demigods into the System Reference Document. The Immortals Handbook is compatible with that book (though I have made a few changes for the better).

Once that happens it should be a matter of a week or so before the first section is available (with the others following at short intervals thereafter).

 

[Blacksad]

Just a small thing, on SR, with your revised CR system,
I don't know if you already made such a rule but something like:

default SR being 11+CR instead of 11+ECL, with caster level check being the same, i.e. 1d20+CR instead of 1d20+ECL

would be cool.

It requires to revise the SR of some monster, but it would solve a tricky problem IMO.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Blacksad mate!

Just a small thing, on SR, with your revised CR system,
I don't know if you already made such a rule but something like:

default SR being 11+CR instead of 11+ECL, with caster level check being the same, i.e. 1d20+CR instead of 1d20+ECL

would be cool.

It requires to revise the SR of some monster, but it would solve a tricky problem IMO.

The tricky aspect to something like this is the modifiers I apply to high ECL/CR.

eg. A Hecatonchiere is about ECL 100/CR 42 (or thereabouts). this means it is a 50/50 challenge for x4 PCs of 72nd-level. Meaning that probably SR83 is appropriate.

So there is a slightly convaluted process involved.

 

[Anubis]

Perhaps lessening the constant modifier is the answer (thinking out loud here) rather than complicating the issue.

Huh? What do you mean?

...except that I don't give up.

I'm serious. There is no simple solution. That's outside the realm of possibility. Dragons need their own system, deities need their own system as well, it's all very complex in the end.

 

[Impeesa]

Awesome, where's it gonna be available and when's it gonna be done?

That's like asking Blizzard when their game will be done, or when Peter Gabriel will have a new cd out (incidentally, both of these finally did come out... where's our book? ).

--Impeesa--

 

[Blacksad]

Hi Blacksad mate!



The tricky aspect to something like this is the modifiers I apply to high ECL/CR.

eg. A Hecatonchiere is about ECL 100/CR 42 (or thereabouts). this means it is a 50/50 challenge for x4 PCs of 72nd-level. Meaning that probably SR83 is appropriate.

So there is a slightly convaluted process involved.

Oops! forgot to say Hi myself

Hi U_K!

Isn't my method easier? and harder to break?

i.e. with your method: a CR 64 creature (ECL 448) is a 50/50 challenge for x4 PCs of 320th-level.
That would mean SR331.
But while it should be the same challenge for 340th level PCs, the SR becomes totaly meaningless at this level.

It's a problem, isn't it?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Anubis matey!

Huh? What do you mean?

I meant perhaps each 5/+1 should represent +1/4 ECL (or something other than a half etc.)

I'm serious. There is no simple solution. That's outside the realm of possibility.

I'll see about conjuring up a miracle then!

Dragons need their own system, deities need their own system as well,

The whole point of the system is lost then. Either it works for all equally or it works for none.

it's all very complex in the end.

Its only complex if you make it complex.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey Impeesa mate!

That's like asking Blizzard when their game will be done, or when Peter Gabriel will have a new cd out (incidentally, both of these finally did come out... where's our book? ).

I know...that Krust needs to get up off his backside and...oh wait thats me.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Oops! forgot to say Hi myself

Hi U_K!

Hey Blacksad mate!

Isn't my method easier? and harder to break?

I think this could set some unholy precedents though, Hecatonchieres with SR111 etc.

Great Wyrm Red Dragon with SR41.

i.e. with your method: a CR 64 creature (ECL 448) is a 50/50 challenge for x4 PCs of 320th-level.
That would mean SR331.
But while it should be the same challenge for 340th level PCs, the SR becomes totaly meaningless at this level.

Well, to be fair there are no CR64 monsters and 320th-level PCs are a bit thin on the ground.

Actually the higher you ascend the less spell resistance itself is relevant and I'm not just talking about epic spells.

It's a problem, isn't it?

Generally speaking though I don't set SR by CR though.

 

[Blacksad]

I think this could set some unholy precedents though, Hecatonchieres with SR111 etc.

no, no, no!

With my method, it would be SR 53 (CR+11), and the caster level check of a level 72 character would be 1d20+38

The SR of the great red wyrm wouldn't change.

This would ensure that in the ECL variation of 16 between CR55 and CR56, the SR represent the same challenge, and not an almost impossible one up to a too easy one while staying on the same CR.