Upper_Krust, I need your help!

[Anubis]

This is a question about gods, so I'm coming straight to the man.

Here is the problem:

SWORD OF TRANQUILLITY: Keen Lawful Ghost Touch Defending Holy Avenger, Evil Outsider and Chaotic Outsider Bane; Int 24, Wis 19, Cha 14, Ego 50; Primary Abilities Wielder has free use of Blind-Fight, Improved Initiative, uncanny dodge, evasion, wielder does not need to sleep or breathe; Extraordinary Abilities Heal 1/day, Haste (wielder only, 10 rounds) 1/day, Stoneskin (wielder only, 10 minutes per use) 2/day, True seeing at will; Special Purpose: Defend the servants and interests of Heironeous [Power: True Resurrection on wielder, one time only].

This is an artifact created by Heironeous to defend Greyhawk and ultimately defeat Hextor and all demons.

UNFORTUNATELY, by the rules in Deities & Demigods, Heironeous CAN'T MAKE THIS ITEM. He doesn't have Craft Artifact, and can only instantly make things worth up to 200,000 gp. (The Sword of Tranquillity would be worth over 600,000 gp.)

Are there any rules in YOUR system that would allow Heironeous to make a weapon this powerful, or is this totally screwed up?

If this IS screwed up, then I have a solution, but IS THIS POSSIBLE?: Heironeous hired Boccob to create the item, but Boccob only does so after letting Heironeous know that he will make an artifact of equal power for Hextor. Would Boccob do that if Heironeous can't make it himself?

HELP!!!

 

[Crothian]

What is some unknown entity made it? Depending on how important the history of the item is to your game, you could add mystery to it and use that as a plot device.

 

[Avatar of the North]

actually the rule from D&Dg you speak of is free creating without any of the time it would take a mortal caster to make it. If the god in question has the item creation feats and the needed spells to make it then he can do it just like any mortal could (Heironeous being able to grant cleric spell would have the entire cleric list at his disposal and his domain and can use Miricale to duplicate wiz/sorc spells of 8th level or lower i think he has the casting ability to do this.) Though he doesn't have any item creation feats take a look at his Alter reality ability (he could also use it to mimick any 9th level spell he wanted too), specificly the 3rd note in it "The deity can render a magical or supernatural effect permanant...."

something tells me Heironeous could very easily make this artifact

 

[Dispater]

No, Heironeus can't make this by no means humble artifact according to the rules in DDG. The feat Craft Artifact mentions that more rules concering this topic will be presented in the Epic Level Handbook, so if you want to go by the book you will just have to wait and see.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hello everyone!

Hi Anubis mate! You know you can email me if you want; I'll probably see things a bit quicker that way - especially at the moment; ENworld seems to be very busy at the moment - I can only access it for a few waking hours each day unfortunately.

This is a question about gods, so I'm coming straight to the man.

Okay!

Here is the problem:

SWORD OF TRANQUILLITY: Keen Lawful Ghost Touch Defending Holy Avenger, Evil Outsider and Chaotic Outsider Bane; Int 24, Wis 19, Cha 14, Ego 50; Primary Abilities Wielder has free use of Blind-Fight, Improved Initiative, uncanny dodge, evasion, wielder does not need to sleep or breathe; Extraordinary Abilities Heal 1/day, Haste (wielder only, 10 rounds) 1/day, Stoneskin (wielder only, 10 minutes per use) 2/day, True seeing at will; Special Purpose: Defend the servants and interests of Heironeous [Power: True Resurrection on wielder, one time only].

I am guessing the weapon is also +5?

For an effective total of +19 & Intelligence.

This is an artifact created by Heironeous to defend Greyhawk and ultimately defeat Hextor and all demons.

Where is this weapon taken from? I still haven't received my copy of Deities & Demigods yet! Is it from there?

UNFORTUNATELY, by the rules in Deities & Demigods, Heironeous CAN'T MAKE THIS ITEM. He doesn't have Craft Artifact, and can only instantly make things worth up to 200,000 gp. (The Sword of Tranquillity would be worth over 600,000 gp.)

Going by Epic Rules it would cost a lot more than that!

4 million (I estimate at a quick glance)

Are there any rules in YOUR system that would allow Heironeous to make a weapon this powerful, or is this totally screwed up?

I don't know the first thing about Heironeous in D&Dg - I will guess Divine Rank 15: 20HD/20th Paladin/20th Cleric?

So it comes down to Craft Epic Weapon & Armour Feats; Craft Artifact SDA (to reduce time to zero - according to Avatar of the North - hello mate!). Then Heironeous expending the necessary money (approx. 2 million GP) and energy ( approx. 80,000 XP).

These expenditures could be offset by instead expending Worship Points of course.

But I still need to get Deities & Demigods to get a handle on all these abilities.

Seemingly He should have the Craft Epic arms & Armour Feat at least.

If this IS screwed up, then I have a solution, but IS THIS POSSIBLE?: Heironeous hired Boccob to create the item, but Boccob only does so after letting Heironeous know that he will make an artifact of equal power for Hextor. Would Boccob do that if Heironeous can't make it himself?

Boccob might not care..?

I suppose its plausible though. In the Gord the Rogue novels Boccob created a powerful holy avenger sword (the 'Crystal Blade) that could be used by non-paladins:

Blackheartseeker
This is a chaotic evil black Suel sword, initally enchanted by Vuron. Its special purpose is to slay evil beings, which it can detect. It uses its will to urge its wearer to strike down those evil creatures. It hits the heart of an evil being on a natural 20. It annihilates the souls of Lower planer creatures. It draws negative planer energy into it and informs the bearer of such energies. Likewise, it can drink up anti-matter. It can be merged with the Crystal Blade to form Courflamme, the Sword of Balance. It was recovered from the Forgotten City by Gord

Crystal Blade
This Lawful Good, Holy Avenger class sword was created as one of the Twelve Great Magicks of Boccob. It has similar and opposite powers to Blackheartseeker, and as such can drink up positive energy. They can merge to form Courflamme, the Sword of Balance. As a part of Courflamme, it can shoot black bolts of force or arcs of black flame that do 3-30 hp damage. Gord initially won it in the Shadowland. He slew the lich Imprimus with it and left it with the Shadowlord as a token of passage.

Courflamme, the Sword of Balance, the Sword of Equilibrium
This sword is formed by merging Blackheartseeker with the crystal blade of the Shadowland and is of equal or greater potency than a single theorpart. It gives its user a faster initiative and communicates empathicly. It can split into its component swords. One can be sent out independently like a dancing sword. It can act as a "Defender" class sword. It can give a surge of energy that gives a brief additional bonus to hit and damage. One blow from this sword will slay a plagadaemon. It can mollify demonic brutes. It can deflect energies from single theorparts. It can shoot a silver bolt of force or blinding white fire. It can create a mesh of crystal and black that grows and entraps. In the battle between the Lords of Light and Tharizdun, he split the sword into the two component swords. It is most vulnerable in the Sea of Thought area of Greyhawk Castle. There it will shatter on Tharizdun.

 

[Anubis]

Unfortunately, Heironeous has NO item creation feats as far as I can see. That's the problem. Craft Artifact is needed, which he doesn't have, or he'd have to be a Greater Deity, which he unfortunately isn't.

That's my problem. It's a +16 weapon (+5 for Holy Avenger, +1 Keen, +1 Defending, +2 Lawful, +1 Ghost Touch, +2 for each Bane ability. It may be +18 if the Holy part of the Holy Avenger is a special ability bonus. Hard to tell with Holy Avenger. It's a Holy Avenger with Keen, Lawful, Defending, Ghost Touch, Double Bane, and Intelligence.)

So would Boccob do it? Obviously Heironeous can't . . . UGH . . . I thought Heironeous was one of the more powerful Greyhawk Gods.

 

[Avatar of the North]

post blasted out of existance, hehe

 

[Avatar of the North]

ignore the previous post, found something in the ability that makes that not work