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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 5811252" data-attributes="member: 6957">Absolutely correct.  They have no right to try to tell me that their way is better, and going by the fact that they are now killing that brand new, better than anything! game, I would have to say that a lot of folks agree with me. Especially when it is in an attempt to sell a game that has little to do with all previous editions of the game.They could have tried building up their new game, instead they tried to denigrate a popular game, and one that, in the form of Pathfinder, continues to be more popular than they game that they tried replacing it with.Telling people that what they are enjoying is not fun is, in point of fact, bloody stupid.Monopoly sucks, so play Monopoly 2e, just like Candyland! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />4e failed.4e deserved to fail, as much or more because of the method that they chose for marketing as for the rules themselves.It may have failed so hard that it will take the possibility of 5e succeeding with it.The fact that 4e failed shows that it was WotC's position and choice of marketing that was untenable. Not the fans of the previous edition.Not the OSR.Not the fans of 4e.WotC, the company, is the one that took an untenable and indefensible position.My hopes for 5e are low, but at least they are not digging themselves a ditch to stand in this time.But whether 5e succeeds or fails, it is WotC that put themselves in a position that they started looking at a new edition two years in and started working on it three and a half years in.Do not say that it is my position that is untenable - 4e is already waving the white flag. WotC is already asking for forgiveness.* EDIT * WotC is willing to acknowledge their mistakes, I am willing to at least look at 5e. Trying to defend them when they are admitting to error does not help them.The Auld Grump</blockquote>

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