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<blockquote data-quote="Dannager" data-source="post: 5811344" data-attributes="member: 73683">Yeah, but everyone knows that wasn't actually the point WotC was making. Some people like to pretend that it was, because it putts their narrative downrange a bit, but I think even they know that's not actually what they were trying to get across.They said things were terrible because they had heard about a pile of concerns over these things for years. They were cool things, on their face, but in practice were often way less cool than they could have been.No one at WotC thought that D&amp;D 3.5 wasn't fun. They all thought it was a great game. Every last one of them. They all had points of concern, or things they thought could be better, but they all loved D&amp;D 3.5. And they all love 4e. If 5e comes out, and we start seeing WotC guys saying things like, &quot;Y'know what, this part of 4e just wasn't fun,&quot; (we won't see that, mind you, because they've discovered that it's like trying to pet that one really angry cat that hates everyone) it won't be because they thought 4e wasn't fun. It will be because they listened to people and made improvements to things they thought needed it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannager, post: 5811344, member: 73683"] Yeah, but everyone knows that wasn't actually the point WotC was making. Some people like to pretend that it was, because it putts their narrative downrange a bit, but I think even they know that's not actually what they were trying to get across. They said things were terrible because [I]they had heard about a pile of concerns over these things for years[/I]. They were cool things, on their face, but in practice were often way less cool than they could have been. No one at WotC thought that D&D 3.5 wasn't fun. They all thought it was a great game. Every last one of them. They all had points of concern, or things they thought could be better, but they all loved D&D 3.5. And they all love 4e. If 5e comes out, and we start seeing WotC guys saying things like, "Y'know what, this part of 4e just wasn't fun," (we won't see that, mind you, because they've discovered that it's like trying to pet that one really angry cat that hates everyone) it won't be because they thought 4e wasn't fun. It will be because they [I]listened[/I] to people and made improvements to things they thought needed it. [/QUOTE]

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