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<blockquote data-quote="TwinBahamut" data-source="post: 5811492" data-attributes="member: 32536"><p>The thing is, my issue with that complaint is not that I don't think 4E is like a videogame (well, I don't, but still...), but that people use "videogamey" as an insulting pejorative, as if videogames are inherently a bad thing. It is not criticism, but rather crude insult that belittles a secondary target and tends to not be based on rational analysis. Many people who made that argument in the past have been completely incapable of articulating any reason why 4E has such a "feel", and are generally ignorant of videogames as a whole.</p><p></p><p>It is also rather annoying in regards to the fact that I flat out like videogames and like the influence of videogames upon fantasy and D&D. I think D&D would benefit from taking more ideas and inspiration from videogames. Seeing people who don't even play videogames insult the hobby as being "inferior" is not fun.</p><p></p><p>Not all criticism is equal. </p><p></p><p>As I said before, the criticism WotC expressed for D&D and the "criticism" that fans have towards the "videogamey-ness" of 4E are not even comparable. The first was rational and fair, the latter was not. The former is fine and requires no apology, the latter is not fine and was just plain rude, and an apology might be nice.</p><p></p><p>I don't want an apology for 4E. I want a game better than 4E. An apology from a game company is nothing more than a reactionary effort. Good game design requires progressive effort. Apologizing for understandable decisions (not necessarily good ones, but understandable ones) only makes things worse in the long run, because it gives an excessive amount of momentum to reactionary forces.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TwinBahamut, post: 5811492, member: 32536"] The thing is, my issue with that complaint is not that I don't think 4E is like a videogame (well, I don't, but still...), but that people use "videogamey" as an insulting pejorative, as if videogames are inherently a bad thing. It is not criticism, but rather crude insult that belittles a secondary target and tends to not be based on rational analysis. Many people who made that argument in the past have been completely incapable of articulating any reason why 4E has such a "feel", and are generally ignorant of videogames as a whole. It is also rather annoying in regards to the fact that I flat out like videogames and like the influence of videogames upon fantasy and D&D. I think D&D would benefit from taking more ideas and inspiration from videogames. Seeing people who don't even play videogames insult the hobby as being "inferior" is not fun. Not all criticism is equal. As I said before, the criticism WotC expressed for D&D and the "criticism" that fans have towards the "videogamey-ness" of 4E are not even comparable. The first was rational and fair, the latter was not. The former is fine and requires no apology, the latter is not fine and was just plain rude, and an apology might be nice. I don't want an apology for 4E. I want a game better than 4E. An apology from a game company is nothing more than a reactionary effort. Good game design requires progressive effort. Apologizing for understandable decisions (not necessarily good ones, but understandable ones) only makes things worse in the long run, because it gives an excessive amount of momentum to reactionary forces. [/QUOTE]
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