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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2034625" data-attributes="member: 2011">Actually, most people can't tell the difference. What clues you off to lies is either body language or hearing something that disagrees with your own knowledge base (including information that you have just heard in the current conversation).Hence, the reason to roleplay this whenever possible. Players will "just hear something and it doesn't sit right" with what they know.This is a gray rules area here. Certain skills (like Sense Motive or Knowledge skills) are more in the camp of DM prerogative then they are more "cut and dry" skills like Climbing or Swimming where many of the DCs are fairly well known and understood.You make a Knowledge roll. What does that mean? The DM decides completely.You make a Sense Motive roll. What does that mean? The DM decides completely.You roll 27 climbing up a ladder, the DM might say "You zoom up the ladder" and give you an automatic half move rate, but there isn't a lot of room there for much DM improvisation without rule 0. A successful according to the rules check still means that you move up at one quarter your move rate, no matter how successful.You roll 21 on your Tumble past, no AoOs. The rules basically decide since the rules determine the DC and there are rarely modifiers.For Bluff / Sense Motive, the DM often decides the DC or at least the DC range due to modifiers (e.g. Taking 10 with modifiers, or even rolling the dice with modifiers can result in a DC too high for the PCs to make).The DM also decides who gets to roll.I personally rarely have everyone in a group roll ANY roll (course, we have 6 PCs and an NPC in our group). The reason is due to sheer mathematics. With 7 rolls, SOMEONE is bound to roll 15 or higher and make most skill DCs. I tend to have one or two rolls from the best skilled members with the potential for Skill Aid by others willing to help.</blockquote>

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