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Message: <blockquote data-quote="smathis" data-source="post: 5595492" data-attributes="member: 56465">(And here's a Q&A from Arioch on the other thread re: minions) You know, I haven't used minions yet. I would assume they'd convert pretty much the same. Apply the same damage guidelines and I'd think it would be in the right ballpark. The big things are AC, Damage and Hit Points. I skirt the Hit Points issue by determining Hit Dice from Level. And that doesn't matter in the case of minions. The way AC is done should get most monsters down into the 10-24 range. Except for some epic tier ones. And those aren't really good for on-the-fly conversion. Honestly, PCs should probably just run from those guys. AC can go a little low though. So if I have, say, a type of Kobold that winds up with 8 or 9 in AC, I'll usually enforce an Armor Class "floor" where I just say the AC can't be lower than 10 (or 12 in LotFP). Some minions might run up against that.Damage is pretty covered. Mostly because I spent most of my time rolling it. Older version monsters do so little damage compared to 4e. Even with the conversion, these monsters are still really tough sometimes. But tough as in "doing lots of damage". Not "having 800 hit points". That makes for more challenging, exciting and quicker fights. Anyone who's playing 4e probably already knows that. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Cutting damage in half for minions that don't roll it should be fine. Applying the damage roll conversion will work for the others.I'd probably treat all minions as 1-1 HD creatures for the purposes of the extra attacks and/or damage that Fighters tend to get against such creatures in some of the retroclones. That would make Fighters minion slayers extraordinaire. And would give a really good reason to throw more and more minions their way.I'd like to add that the conversion really isn't that bad even though there's all these caveats and edge cases. If you do a 5-10 with paper and pencil, you'll get the hang of it and a lot of this becomes just second nature. Not all these caveats apply to all 4e monsters. Or even most of them. The solos like the Dragon are tough, sure. But I'd say those shouldn't be done on the fly. But Orcs? Goblins? Skeletons? Easy-peasy. And far more colorful (and fun) than their older edition counterparts, IMO.</blockquote>

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