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<blockquote data-quote="Saagael" data-source="post: 5987078" data-attributes="member: 84839">There are several things going on here that muddle up the numbers a bit so let me see if I get this straight:1) You're a monk, using a dagger as an implement for your attacks (no ki focus).2) You have an accurate daagger.3) You have a dagger that can be used as a holy symbol.4) You have Holy Symbol Expertise.5) You multiclassed cleric to gain access to holy symbols as implementsSo here's what I'm thinking. The first three points are calculated correctly. The problem you're facing (I think, I can't test this in the character builder) is that while the dagger is treated like a holy symbol, the program doesn't pick up on that fact with respect to Holy Symbol Expertise, and so you don't get that benefit of that feat.The way to test this is to swap out the accurate dagger for a the same, non-accurate, dagger. If the attack bonus of the power goes down by 1, the issue is Holy Symbol Expertise. If the attack bonus stays the same, its an issue with Accurate Implements.I'd also test the character with an actual holy symbol (not a facsimile) of the same enhancement bonus as the dagger and see if that calculates properly (and see if you can add the accurate benefit to holy symbols, not sure if you can). Let us know what the results are and you'll probably get your answer.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Saagael, post: 5987078, member: 84839"] There are several things going on here that muddle up the numbers a bit so let me see if I get this straight: 1) You're a monk, using a dagger as an implement for your attacks (no ki focus). 2) You have an accurate daagger. 3) You have a dagger that can be used as a holy symbol. 4) You have Holy Symbol Expertise. 5) You multiclassed cleric to gain access to holy symbols as implements So here's what I'm thinking. The first three points are calculated correctly. The problem you're facing (I think, I can't test this in the character builder) is that while the dagger is treated like a holy symbol, the program doesn't pick up on that fact with respect to Holy Symbol Expertise, and so you don't get that benefit of that feat. The way to test this is to swap out the accurate dagger for a the same, non-accurate, dagger. If the attack bonus of the power goes down by 1, the issue is Holy Symbol Expertise. If the attack bonus stays the same, its an issue with Accurate Implements. I'd also test the character with an actual holy symbol (not a facsimile) of the same enhancement bonus as the dagger and see if that calculates properly (and see if you can add the accurate benefit to holy symbols, not sure if you can). Let us know what the results are and you'll probably get your answer. [/QUOTE]

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