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<blockquote data-quote="Lord Zardoz" data-source="post: 4779968" data-attributes="member: 704">I have noticed that 4th Edition is actually very minimal on any rules for using combat powers on anything other than a hostile combatant.&nbsp; There are no rules for attacking inanimate objects as there were in 4th edition.&nbsp; Given the potential ramifications of actions like Sunder, and the desire to avoid any sort of extra book keeping, this is not a surprise to me.&nbsp; It seems to me that there was an obvious desire to avoid creating any windows for players to use their combat powers in unforseen ways.&nbsp; Given how most DC checks scale for level, checks / attacks on inanimate objects could have created some strangeness at the Paragon or Epic tier.&nbsp; Needing something along the lines of perhaps a DC 30 Str check to break down a tree about a half foot wide might make sense until your level 22 Dragonborn is getting +20 to the roll (conservatively, +11 from level +7 or more from level adjusted Str score, and maybe an item that grants a bonus to Str checks that are not attack rolls), and suddenly your PC can snap large trees in half with about a 50% success rate on a Str based check.However, it does leave a bit of a gap in the rules.For powers where you just want to use a movement component (a fly or teleport movement), just let them use the power and apply the 5 minute rest rule for encounter powers, or burn the daily.&nbsp; If they want to blow the unholy hell out of something though, that gets harder to deal with.&nbsp; You could just pull some Def scores and a HP value out of your ass, and try to apply some common sense to prevent someone from chopping through a rope with a warhammer or great club.END COMMUNICATION</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lord Zardoz, post: 4779968, member: 704"] I have noticed that 4th Edition is actually very minimal on any rules for using combat powers on anything other than a hostile combatant. There are no rules for attacking inanimate objects as there were in 4th edition. Given the potential ramifications of actions like Sunder, and the desire to avoid any sort of extra book keeping, this is not a surprise to me. It seems to me that there was an obvious desire to avoid creating any windows for players to use their combat powers in unforseen ways. Given how most DC checks scale for level, checks / attacks on inanimate objects could have created some strangeness at the Paragon or Epic tier. Needing something along the lines of perhaps a DC 30 Str check to break down a tree about a half foot wide might make sense until your level 22 Dragonborn is getting +20 to the roll (conservatively, +11 from level +7 or more from level adjusted Str score, and maybe an item that grants a bonus to Str checks that are not attack rolls), and suddenly your PC can snap large trees in half with about a 50% success rate on a Str based check. However, it does leave a bit of a gap in the rules. For powers where you just want to use a movement component (a fly or teleport movement), just let them use the power and apply the 5 minute rest rule for encounter powers, or burn the daily. If they want to blow the unholy hell out of something though, that gets harder to deal with. You could just pull some Def scores and a HP value out of your ass, and try to apply some common sense to prevent someone from chopping through a rope with a warhammer or great club. END COMMUNICATION [/QUOTE]

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