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<blockquote data-quote="Illithidbix" data-source="post: 6807798" data-attributes="member: 12283">Easy to overlook but both the Eldritch Knight and Arcane Trickster both use INT, so that is three spell casting classes that use INT, even if two are tertiary 1/3level progression subclass casters. (Mage Hand Legerdemain is one of my favourite class abilities out there.)Warlocks are an odd case as I can see arguments for them either Charisma or Intelligence as their spellcasting stat, whether you consider themselves scholars of forbidden knowledge that is indescribable and blasts the sanity of those who etc etc non-euclidean etc etcOr as bargainers who dealt with inhuman powers and who won ... maybe.... or it seems like they got a good deal... at the moment...Back in the day (2nd Edition AD&amp;D) almost everything was Intelligence (arcane spellcasters) or Wisdom (Divine) based spell casting. Even Bards used INT as their spellcasting stat.In 3E the core PHB introduced the idea of Bards and Sorcerers using charisma as a primary attribute.Paladins used Wisdom instead of Charisma for actual spellcasting.With a few odd abilities that Paladins and Clerics got that came off Charisma (turning undead and lay on hands).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Illithidbix, post: 6807798, member: 12283"] Easy to overlook but both the Eldritch Knight and Arcane Trickster both use INT, so that is three spell casting classes that use INT, even if two are tertiary 1/3level progression subclass casters. (Mage Hand Legerdemain is one of my favourite class abilities out there.) Warlocks are an odd case as I can see arguments for them either Charisma or Intelligence as their spellcasting stat, whether you consider themselves scholars of forbidden knowledge that is indescribable and blasts the sanity of those who etc etc non-euclidean etc etc Or as bargainers who dealt with inhuman powers and who won ... maybe.... or it seems like they got a good deal... at the moment... Back in the day (2nd Edition AD&D) almost everything was Intelligence (arcane spellcasters) or Wisdom (Divine) based spell casting. Even Bards used INT as their spellcasting stat. In 3E the core PHB introduced the idea of Bards and Sorcerers using charisma as a primary attribute. Paladins used Wisdom instead of Charisma for actual spellcasting. With a few odd abilities that Paladins and Clerics got that came off Charisma (turning undead and lay on hands). [/QUOTE]

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