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Message: <blockquote data-quote="reapersaurus" data-source="post: 804496" data-attributes="member: 1194">Neat!A mechanics discussion! (I love talking 'game') <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Please let me know if any of my understanding of the rules is not right:- Celerity only lets you move fast on your turn - it will let you run away all right, but I doubt if it alone will stop 3 humans who want you dead. Plus, if you run, it proves that humans with guns are a very viable danger to vampires, not a threat to dismiss lightly.- Presence 1 is not a combat power. It says "danger breaks the spell of fascination". Also, can't they just spend Willpower to resist?- Presence 2 and 3 and Dominate 1 are only against 1 opponent at a time (I think).The other 2 are still doing their big damage to you. It's a quick battle of attrition that (I think) the vamp would lose.- Obfuscate is the best defense, I think, against humans. Protean is good, too, and would work to stop this tactic.- I think you can only spend one blood point a turn to increase physical traits - so you'd be dead before much effect is received.So I look at all of us for a sample coterie, and I think that all of us are vulnerable to this kind of attack, are we not?I hope this shows that the standard approach of dismissing humans with guns is not justified.But Shalimar - you seem pretty experienced (as is Ash) - why do most V:tM players (I think) have this view that humans can't pose a threat to vamps?</blockquote>

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