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Message: <blockquote data-quote="reapersaurus" data-source="post: 894764" data-attributes="member: 1194">Wow.I read the combat section three times, and didn't notice those 2 little blurbs.That is stupifyingly ridiculous to not include that ruling in the section that details Lethal Damage and Bashing damage.2 seperate areas, when they write about lethal damage, they specifically include firearms, only to contradict themselves with 2 tucked away references that violate what they write.I truly was not aware of how clunky the combat system was in V:tM until now.I'd read for years how people dismissed it as unworkable and limiting, with flawed structure, but I always thought it was kind of neat.Thanks to this combat example, I finally see what they were getting at, though I always like rolling dice and working thru any combat system, so I'm not exactly a control study group. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Something else that I was not aware of until you went thru it all the way, Barry:You do your roll (i.e. Dex+Firearms) and any successes over one apply to damage.Uh-uh ; Now you have to roll AGAIN!This double-decrease of damage is fundamentally silly.It's probably this way because of the prime complaint about Vampire rules: the Difficulty Rating system.Having only one number to work with that incredibly affects the outcome is a very limiting mechanic, statistically.Oh, well - I guess all systems have their weakpoints.I still love the strategy and purity of combat as a gaming challenge more than the subjectiveness and misinterpretations that are inherent in character dialogue, or decriptions of actions.It's just refreshing after all this discussion and manipulation of word-play to actually have something that is straight-out ; something that can't be taken a different way than intended, something where everyone can have the same approach, not dependant on whether your talk-partner responds the way you'd hope, or whether the scene plays out a certain way.Thanks a bunch for going thru the example, Barry - it was quite helpful to me.I have no idea if it helps other players, unless they're interested in combat, but it's only a handful of posts in the big thread.</blockquote>

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