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<blockquote data-quote="zealot73" data-source="post: 444277" data-attributes="member: 8552">First of all you have to understand that for a Wizard to attempt to make himself into a Lich he normally has to have access to 8th level spells at a minimum (this is going off of 2nd edition for the recipe for Lichdom).&nbsp; When you consider that the Lich will most likely have 15 levels (once again as a minimum) of Wizard or Necromancer and ONLY THEN can they cross over to Undeath on their own.&nbsp; Any joe-shmo can be turned into a Vampire but what makes a Lich truly nasty are all those levels of Wizard that they have prior to becoming a Lich... not the powers they gain from being a Lich.&nbsp; If you want the down and dirty on what all it takes to become a Lich check out Van Richten's Guide to Liches or the Green Encyclopedia Magicka and look up the Potion of Lichdom.&nbsp; I particularly like the Van Richten's Guide.&nbsp; It has some great ideas on additional abilities that Liches might have since it is foolish to think that all Liches have the exact same powers (well... they have the same core powers but develop more over time).&nbsp; I do agree that a Vampire Wizard would be truly horrifiying but always remember that a Lich doesn't fear sunlight or wooden stakes as a Vampire does.&nbsp; If you destroy it's body it is only gone temporarily... and most liches keep another body near their phylactery that they can instantly inhabit.&nbsp; Honestly though... unless a wizard is turned into a vampire early on it his/her career do you honestly think that any but the most powerful vampires could turn a 15th level Wizard?&nbsp; A single Teleport spell will whisk the Wizard away to safety with but a single word though I doubt the Wizard would run from that fight.&nbsp; Also, what Vampire would want to turn a 15th level Wizard?&nbsp; There is a really good chance that the newly made Vampire Wizard could usurp his master.Sorry... I'm rambling.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="zealot73, post: 444277, member: 8552"] First of all you have to understand that for a Wizard to attempt to make himself into a Lich he normally has to have access to 8th level spells at a minimum (this is going off of 2nd edition for the recipe for Lichdom). When you consider that the Lich will most likely have 15 levels (once again as a minimum) of Wizard or Necromancer and ONLY THEN can they cross over to Undeath on their own. Any joe-shmo can be turned into a Vampire but what makes a Lich truly nasty are all those levels of Wizard that they have prior to becoming a Lich... not the powers they gain from being a Lich. If you want the down and dirty on what all it takes to become a Lich check out Van Richten's Guide to Liches or the Green Encyclopedia Magicka and look up the Potion of Lichdom. I particularly like the Van Richten's Guide. It has some great ideas on additional abilities that Liches might have since it is foolish to think that all Liches have the exact same powers (well... they have the same core powers but develop more over time). I do agree that a Vampire Wizard would be truly horrifiying but always remember that a Lich doesn't fear sunlight or wooden stakes as a Vampire does. If you destroy it's body it is only gone temporarily... and most liches keep another body near their phylactery that they can instantly inhabit. Honestly though... unless a wizard is turned into a vampire early on it his/her career do you honestly think that any but the most powerful vampires could turn a 15th level Wizard? A single Teleport spell will whisk the Wizard away to safety with but a single word though I doubt the Wizard would run from that fight. Also, what Vampire would want to turn a 15th level Wizard? There is a really good chance that the newly made Vampire Wizard could usurp his master. Sorry... I'm rambling. :) [/QUOTE]

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