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<blockquote data-quote="Jeremy" data-source="post: 444420" data-attributes="member: 4036">Playtesting showed that vampires tended to be melee warriors of some kind and that the template was a little more than the equivalent of 2 higher CR and a little less than 3.&nbsp; So for XP award they got CR +2.Liches have to be spellcasters to craft the phylactery, and at the level that they acquire the template, it doesn't effect their challenge very much in a single encounter so it is relatively light on the penalties of the template.&nbsp; But because of the fact that they can continually &quot;respawn&quot;, they got more than a +1 CR increase, though just barely.These two templates don't compare directly very well to each other because they are designed to be used in two entirely different games (high level and mid level) and because on average they are applied to different types of creatures so the effect they have on the challenge of those creatures is measured differently.But most importantly, CR's are wide bands.&nbsp; Very wide in some cases.&nbsp; One CR 4 creature might be able to utterly trash another creature of the same CR repeatedly, over and over and over, but from the stand point of how much XP it should be worth to an iconic party, or how much of said party's resources it will take, or what level party will be able to take the creature with ease, they are somewhere in a range.Rather than have CR 1, 1.2, 1.5, 1.7, and 1.9 they just have CR 1 to deal with all those power levels.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jeremy, post: 444420, member: 4036"] Playtesting showed that vampires tended to be melee warriors of some kind and that the template was a little more than the equivalent of 2 higher CR and a little less than 3. So for XP award they got CR +2. Liches have to be spellcasters to craft the phylactery, and at the level that they acquire the template, it doesn't effect their challenge very much in a single encounter so it is relatively light on the penalties of the template. But because of the fact that they can continually "respawn", they got more than a +1 CR increase, though just barely. These two templates don't compare directly very well to each other because they are designed to be used in two entirely different games (high level and mid level) and because on average they are applied to different types of creatures so the effect they have on the challenge of those creatures is measured differently. But most importantly, CR's are wide bands. Very wide in some cases. One CR 4 creature might be able to utterly trash another creature of the same CR repeatedly, over and over and over, but from the stand point of how much XP it should be worth to an iconic party, or how much of said party's resources it will take, or what level party will be able to take the creature with ease, they are somewhere in a range. Rather than have CR 1, 1.2, 1.5, 1.7, and 1.9 they just have CR 1 to deal with all those power levels. [/QUOTE]

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