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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Endur" data-source="post: 445341" data-attributes="member: 3346">I think this is a pretty good point.  As applied to fighter-types, the Vampire template is CR +2.  If applied to spell caster types, the Vampire template is going to be more than CR +2, probably CR +3 or +4 for a sorceror.For a Sorceror, they get the Chr bonus and their high Chr to start with makes the vampire abilities more powerful.They get much higher hit points (d12 instead of d4).They get immunity to effects that cause fort saves (usually a sorceror's biggest weakness).They also get a great deal of defense that the sorceror class doesn't have.  They don't need to worry about a PC grappling them because of the level drain, blood drain, higher str, and gaseous form abilities.And so on and so forth.</blockquote>