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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hatmatter" data-source="post: 8285602" data-attributes="member: 75077"><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f44d.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt="(y)" title="Thumbs up    (y)"  data-smilie="22"data-shortname="(y)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Ok.When it comes to expressions like "basically not even bothering with the rules," put me in agreement with Marandahir, Oofta, and Parmandur earlier in this thread. I think Wizards of the Coast are deploying rules through storylines (e.g. arctic conditions rules in Iceland Dale instead of in a 5th edition of Wilderness Survival Guide).You and I have come to an impasse that may best be described as looking for different kinds of publications from D&D. Again, as I said above, I hope that Wizards of the Coast comes through for you in the near future. <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🙏" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f64f.png" title="Folded hands    :pray:" data-shortname=":pray:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />I would note that it is not entirely accurate to write "5e was written to very heavily fit the needs of super heroic fantasy in the forgotten realms." I am certain that D&D Next was developed as an attempt to create a version of D&D that would appeal to as many people as possible. The Forgotten Realms is convenient as a world for most of D&D's Adventure Paths (but not all...Ghosts of Saltmarsh), but the D&D Next designers were concerned with creating a version of D&D that is a game that permits players to role-play in fantasy that can be customized. The D&D designers have gone out of their way to make it clear that the default setting is the "D&D multiverse," not Abeir-Toril. When looking for a popular "common currency" setting for most of the Adventure Paths books, the Forgotten Realms was the easy choice. But, I do not think D&D Next/5th edition was at all designed to "heavily fit the needs of upper heroic fantasy in the forgotten realms [sic]." The D&D tropes the designers were using and refining have been around long before Greenwood revealed the Realms to the public in the pages of Dragon. But, that is an academic point and I do not want to derail us further. Clearly, I agree that the Forgotten Realms has been the "star pupil" example for D&D 5th edition, witness the illustration of dwarf or elf sub race descriptions with the Forgotten Realms terms as examples.You and I agree that we love role-playing, we disagree with how successful Wizards of the Coasts' fundamental assumptions have been for the game as it goes forward.</blockquote>

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