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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ahrimon" data-source="post: 2792520" data-attributes="member: 12630">I was reading the VoP vs. spellcasting materials thread and had a few thoughts.  I didn't want to hijack that thread so here they are.Many things in the game world have direct and/or lasting benefits but are not material possessions.  Would you allow a VoP character to get intangible benefits?  Is your answer based on the RaW or what you feel the spirit of the feat is?  Each of these examples moves close to a good benefit to the character but is an intangible thing.Would you allow a VoP character that has done something significant for someone, say stopped a major catastrophe, to owed a favor?  It's something, that depending on who owes the favor, can be worth much more than a lot of worldly goods.  I wouldn't allow the VoP character to ask for it.  That's not in the spirit of Exalted.  But if it was offered freely after the fact, then I would allow it myself.A VoP character needs to get his friend raised from the dead.  He can't pay for this obviously.  Would he be able to do a quest/owe a big favor in return for this valuable service?  I'm inclined to say yes.  He's asking for a favor and in return is being asked to pay in time and services.  Similar to stopping somewhere and asking for a bed to sleep in for the night and a meal, and in exchange you'll work to repay whoever it is.A VoP character (and party) does a quest/favor for a powerful group of wizards.  Afterwards, knowing he'll turn down any monetary/item rewards, they offer to place a permanent enchantment on the VoP character.  I don't have the exact wording of VoP near me, but from what snippets I read in the other thread.  This would be allowed in the RaW.  But I'm iffy because I think it's a grey area in the spirit of the feat.(Race specific example) A VoP character can't have magic armor.  But a Warforged has natural armor that can be enchanted like magic armor.  If after doing a quest/favor for someone magically inclined they wanted to reward the VoP warforged by enchanting his armor for him, would it violate the VoP?  This example is very similar to the one above it, but it's comes much closer to having an actual item.So here they are.  Food for thought and discussion.I had another thought about campaigns that make characters pay to train in order to advance their abilities, but I'll make a separate thread for that.   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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