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<blockquote data-quote="Nac_Mac_Feegle" data-source="post: 2797407" data-attributes="member: 32300"><p>Picking something up does not confer ownership. My VoP Monk always took her share of group loot (this stopped the other PC's from getting more than their fair share and being overequipped for level) and then gave it was to various needy people/charities. Also dont forget that if you do need something, such as food, drink, a bed for the night, you must beg for it, it has to be freely given. Most inn's charge to stay, so if they take pity on you, and let you sleep free of charge, they have lost money, but they do so willingly, this doesnt violate your VoP because that bed for the night has intrinsic value</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The characters are living in a World of dieties, very tangible Gods, who can and will make thier presence known, the rules books only cover a small amoutn fo any such gods that might exist. In this vein, anyone giving out any kind of reward, should be taking pains to ensure that he does not violate someones beliefs. Therefore, all rewards should be stipulated before thay can be accepted. You could hardly "force" someone under a vow of chastity to accept 6 concubines now could you?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The 3rd level of VoP gives you sustenance, so you have no need to eat or drink anyhow. If you knew before hand of its benefits, to drink form the fountain purely to gain those benefits I suppose would be wrong, but its also not a worldy possession, you have given up material things, and the enhancement bonus is not exactly material. However, I would worry more about all the other players wiht a fountain of endless enhancements, than the VoP guy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Tough one this, again the person with the Vow hasnt broken any rules, hes lived his life as a pure person should, if the GM were to do this to the character, then blame the character and remove his powers, then I would look very dimly upon the Dm in question, and not the RAW of VoP</p><p></p><p>A lot fo these things strike me as ways to try and trip up a VoP character. If someone is that hard pressed to strip VoP, they probably go to similar lengths to make paladins fall form grace, and should maybe re-consider allowing it in thier games if thats the way they view it.</p><p></p><p>A GM has ultimate power, but you go around treating players like opponents, it can get very lonely at the table on your own. I am not implying you are like this, I dont know one way or the other, its just the questions strike me as something that may have happned, either you did it to someone, or they did it to you. Then again they might be purely hypothetical, but the only true answers can come from the GM of the campaign, and how he views VoP</p><p></p><p>Feegle Out <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nac_Mac_Feegle, post: 2797407, member: 32300"] Picking something up does not confer ownership. My VoP Monk always took her share of group loot (this stopped the other PC's from getting more than their fair share and being overequipped for level) and then gave it was to various needy people/charities. Also dont forget that if you do need something, such as food, drink, a bed for the night, you must beg for it, it has to be freely given. Most inn's charge to stay, so if they take pity on you, and let you sleep free of charge, they have lost money, but they do so willingly, this doesnt violate your VoP because that bed for the night has intrinsic value The characters are living in a World of dieties, very tangible Gods, who can and will make thier presence known, the rules books only cover a small amoutn fo any such gods that might exist. In this vein, anyone giving out any kind of reward, should be taking pains to ensure that he does not violate someones beliefs. Therefore, all rewards should be stipulated before thay can be accepted. You could hardly "force" someone under a vow of chastity to accept 6 concubines now could you? The 3rd level of VoP gives you sustenance, so you have no need to eat or drink anyhow. If you knew before hand of its benefits, to drink form the fountain purely to gain those benefits I suppose would be wrong, but its also not a worldy possession, you have given up material things, and the enhancement bonus is not exactly material. However, I would worry more about all the other players wiht a fountain of endless enhancements, than the VoP guy. Tough one this, again the person with the Vow hasnt broken any rules, hes lived his life as a pure person should, if the GM were to do this to the character, then blame the character and remove his powers, then I would look very dimly upon the Dm in question, and not the RAW of VoP A lot fo these things strike me as ways to try and trip up a VoP character. If someone is that hard pressed to strip VoP, they probably go to similar lengths to make paladins fall form grace, and should maybe re-consider allowing it in thier games if thats the way they view it. A GM has ultimate power, but you go around treating players like opponents, it can get very lonely at the table on your own. I am not implying you are like this, I dont know one way or the other, its just the questions strike me as something that may have happned, either you did it to someone, or they did it to you. Then again they might be purely hypothetical, but the only true answers can come from the GM of the campaign, and how he views VoP Feegle Out :cool: [/QUOTE]
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