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<blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 9170286" data-attributes="member: 6915329"><p>OK, everyone, poll is closed now. The winners:</p><p></p><p>Squeaking by with one more vote is keeping the standard 5e skills. I was really hoping more people would prefer class/background/culture skills. Ah well. And, perhaps surprisingly, roll under won! [USER=29398]@Lanefan[/USER] will be happy. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>So let's discuss roll under for a moment. </p><p></p><p>The reason I want to discuss it is because AD&D had a bad habit of not using consistent terminology. There would frequently be +1 bonuses that actually meant -1 bonuses, because the writer was referring to the die roll and not the number to be rolled under. I don't think we should rely on things like -1 bonus because that's a bit counterintuitive for most people who think bonus = plus. If we want to do this, then we should emphasize that the bonus or penalty is to the stat you're rolling under, not the die roll itself. Strength 15, plus your +2 PB, and a +1 bonus from something else means you're rolling under a 18.</p><p></p><p>We could also possibly never use +/- signs when referring to d20 rolls. "Due to the difficulty of the lock, there is a penalty of 5 to pick it." "This sword gives a bonus of 1 on attack rolls and +1 to damage rolls." A bit wordy, but consistent. </p><p></p><p>Thoughts?</p><p></p><p>--</p><p></p><p>Back to skills for a moment. Some people suggested getting rid of Perception by making it passive only. My own suggestion is that we give every attribute passive "skills" that you don't have to roll for.</p><p></p><p><strong>Strength: </strong>Passive athletics. Objects will be listed with a difficulty number. If your Strength + PB is higher, you can push, shove, lift, bend, whatever it without having to roll.</p><p></p><p><strong>Dexterity: </strong>Passive stealth. You just automatically walk this quietly, even without trying.</p><p></p><p><strong>Constitution:</strong> Passive endurance. Some (not all) physical trials, diseases, poisons, etc., will have a difficulty number. If you beat that number, you either won't be affected or can roll your save with advantage.</p><p></p><p><strong>Intelligence:</strong> Passive insight. If the target's Charisma + PB is lower than your Int + PB, you can tell if they're lying, hiding something, faking emotions, etc.</p><p></p><p><strong>Wisdom:</strong> Passive perception. As per the normal.</p><p></p><p><strong>Charisma:</strong> Passive... charm, persuasion, or deception? Where you can automatically have some influence or lie to over someone's whose Int + PB is lower than your Cha + PB? Dunno about this one.</p><p></p><p>Thoughts?</p><p></p><p>--</p><p></p><p>Unless there are objects, I think the next poll will be on Fighters and, to a less extent, on class format in general. I imagine the basics of combat, archetypes, general abilities, in-class choices, and the like will be brought up while discuss fighters and then get decided later on. Unless you guys think that there's something else I should make a poll for first?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Faolyn, post: 9170286, member: 6915329"] OK, everyone, poll is closed now. The winners: Squeaking by with one more vote is keeping the standard 5e skills. I was really hoping more people would prefer class/background/culture skills. Ah well. And, perhaps surprisingly, roll under won! [USER=29398]@Lanefan[/USER] will be happy. ;) So let's discuss roll under for a moment. The reason I want to discuss it is because AD&D had a bad habit of not using consistent terminology. There would frequently be +1 bonuses that actually meant -1 bonuses, because the writer was referring to the die roll and not the number to be rolled under. I don't think we should rely on things like -1 bonus because that's a bit counterintuitive for most people who think bonus = plus. If we want to do this, then we should emphasize that the bonus or penalty is to the stat you're rolling under, not the die roll itself. Strength 15, plus your +2 PB, and a +1 bonus from something else means you're rolling under a 18. We could also possibly never use +/- signs when referring to d20 rolls. "Due to the difficulty of the lock, there is a penalty of 5 to pick it." "This sword gives a bonus of 1 on attack rolls and +1 to damage rolls." A bit wordy, but consistent. Thoughts? -- Back to skills for a moment. Some people suggested getting rid of Perception by making it passive only. My own suggestion is that we give every attribute passive "skills" that you don't have to roll for. [B]Strength: [/B]Passive athletics. Objects will be listed with a difficulty number. If your Strength + PB is higher, you can push, shove, lift, bend, whatever it without having to roll. [B]Dexterity: [/B]Passive stealth. You just automatically walk this quietly, even without trying. [B]Constitution:[/B] Passive endurance. Some (not all) physical trials, diseases, poisons, etc., will have a difficulty number. If you beat that number, you either won't be affected or can roll your save with advantage. [B]Intelligence:[/B] Passive insight. If the target's Charisma + PB is lower than your Int + PB, you can tell if they're lying, hiding something, faking emotions, etc. [B]Wisdom:[/B] Passive perception. As per the normal. [B]Charisma:[/B] Passive... charm, persuasion, or deception? Where you can automatically have some influence or lie to over someone's whose Int + PB is lower than your Cha + PB? Dunno about this one. Thoughts? -- Unless there are objects, I think the next poll will be on Fighters and, to a less extent, on class format in general. I imagine the basics of combat, archetypes, general abilities, in-class choices, and the like will be brought up while discuss fighters and then get decided later on. Unless you guys think that there's something else I should make a poll for first? [/QUOTE]
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