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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 8668497" data-attributes="member: 6779196"><p>I think you are. If you assume that being “hidden” means the creatures you are hidden from don’t know where you are, then yeah, it would be ridiculous for it to be possible to hide behind a static object like a pillar in combat, where creatures are generally assumed to be alert and aware. The existence of the Lightfoot Halfling’s Naturually Stealthy feature, which explicitly allows them to do exactly that, is to me proof positive that this cannot what “hidden” means. Given that the only listed condition for hiding is that you can’t hide from a creature that can see you clearly, and you have to beat the creature’s passive Wisdom (Perception) with a a Dexterity (Stealth) check, and and given that you stop being hidden if the creature can see you clearly, I think there is a clear interpretation of what “hidden” means that is consistent with all of these facts: It means you are currently unseen and unheard by the creature(s) you’re hidden from. This does not in any way guarantee that you will remain unseen and unheard, or prevent the creature from attempting to see or hear you, which should be pretty easy for them to do if they just watched you duck behind a pillar (or a Medium-sized ally). In the meantime though, if you make an attack roll against them before they have the opportunity to do that (which only a rogue or a goblin can do without special assistance like an action surge or the haste spell), you’ll have advantage due to being unseen and unheard at the time you make the attack. And if for some reason the creature decides to try to attack you from a position where they can’t see you, they’ll have disadvantage on that attack.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 8668497, member: 6779196"] I think you are. If you assume that being “hidden” means the creatures you are hidden from don’t know where you are, then yeah, it would be ridiculous for it to be possible to hide behind a static object like a pillar in combat, where creatures are generally assumed to be alert and aware. The existence of the Lightfoot Halfling’s Naturually Stealthy feature, which explicitly allows them to do exactly that, is to me proof positive that this cannot what “hidden” means. Given that the only listed condition for hiding is that you can’t hide from a creature that can see you clearly, and you have to beat the creature’s passive Wisdom (Perception) with a a Dexterity (Stealth) check, and and given that you stop being hidden if the creature can see you clearly, I think there is a clear interpretation of what “hidden” means that is consistent with all of these facts: It means you are currently unseen and unheard by the creature(s) you’re hidden from. This does not in any way guarantee that you will remain unseen and unheard, or prevent the creature from attempting to see or hear you, which should be pretty easy for them to do if they just watched you duck behind a pillar (or a Medium-sized ally). In the meantime though, if you make an attack roll against them before they have the opportunity to do that (which only a rogue or a goblin can do without special assistance like an action surge or the haste spell), you’ll have advantage due to being unseen and unheard at the time you make the attack. And if for some reason the creature decides to try to attack you from a position where they can’t see you, they’ll have disadvantage on that attack. [/QUOTE]
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