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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 8669413" data-attributes="member: 6788736">And the above is fine. Your reaction is triggered by the attack (the percievable trigger) and goes after the attack is resolved.I'd give you a broad natural language interpretation of your trigger of 'attack' including moving to attack (like if there was an Orc, 30 feet away, and it moved towards you screaming with an Axe drawn) that would allow your reaction to trigger, and not just [attack] = [attack roll or spell].But the fact remains, your trigger must be perceivable by you, or there is nothing for you to react to.That's exactly what it means (going by the Counterspell ruling). There is no indication a spell lacking V,S and M components is actually being cast at all (the caster just thinks it, and it happens).I could understand a possible insight check or something to tell the guy you're speaking to is also casting a [Subtle] Charm person.He doesnt need to move different or wave his hands in your face, nor does he need to say anything special or manipulate any wands or components. There is no 'tell' other than maybe a hunch.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 8669413, member: 6788736"] And the above is fine. Your reaction is triggered by the attack (the percievable trigger) and goes after the attack is resolved. I'd give you a broad natural language interpretation of your trigger of 'attack' including moving to attack (like if there was an Orc, 30 feet away, and it moved towards you screaming with an Axe drawn) that would allow your reaction to trigger, and not just [attack] = [attack roll or spell]. But the fact remains, [B]your trigger must be perceivable by you,[/B] or there is nothing for you to react to. That's exactly what it means (going by the Counterspell ruling). There is no indication a spell lacking V,S and M components is actually being cast at all (the caster just thinks it, and it happens). I could understand a possible insight check or something to tell the guy you're speaking to is also casting a [Subtle] Charm person. He doesnt need to move different or wave his hands in your face, nor does he need to say anything special or manipulate any wands or components. There is no 'tell' other than maybe a hunch. [/QUOTE]

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