Waiting for the grind

Storminator

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We had another session of our monthly 4e game today.

We are trapped in tomb hidden off the sewer tunnels. We had previously killed a ton of wraiths and other undead, and had a safe section to take an extended rest. So we started fresh.

We found a passage to a second, more elaborate temple/tomb to Orcus. We fought some rejiggered Bone Golems, which start out as Elite Brutes 7 levels higher than us... our DM pulled 'em back some, but they tended to hit us on 5s. There was also some well positioned artillery undead. We shot every encounter and daily, blew half our healing surges, and finally prevailed! We started out splitting our group and fighting both Bone Golems evenly, but we managed to pull off to one, kill it, and then go back and get the other. I quite like my cleric's new daily Hallowed Advance (2W, teleport an ally that can basic attack and throw a healing surge). My Fist of Kord is a nice Implement as well - get a bonus to melee attack damage after using it successfully. Solid tool for a balanced cleric.

Afterward we short rested, tinkered with the altar until we found the key to opening a portal. And followed it to the dragon's lair...

An extended rest would have been a lot better. :D

As I walked into the center of the trap (that's how my dwarf rolls...) with the Warlord yelling "it's a trap!" it looked like a possible grind - a level 8 solo lurker dragon. We got Frightful Presenced, lost init, got dragon breathed, then slapped into magical darkness. Nice way to start a fight! With literally no dailies left in the entire party, we got battered around. We managed to pull the dragon out of the darkness once, got a round of licks in, then it went invisible. While we waited for it to jump out again we all burned our second winds and started pawing thru its hoard trying to draw it out.

We ended up having to go into the darkness to get it, which sucked. It did extra damage against blind foes, got the huge defense bonus from darkness, and we were dropping inside the darkness - I was crawling around looking for fallen companions to heal. Just when it started looking like a TPK, we got a round that went Bull Rush, Tide of Iron, Bull Rush, Positioning Strike, Tide of Iron and pushed the dragon out of the darkness and into the entry passageway. Stuck in place, outside its lovely darkness, and fronted with a wall of party, it was looking close. TPK was still an option, but now dead dragon looked like it might be too... and it blinked first. It bullrushed two of our guys out of the way, flew off, turned invisible, and decided to hide. For the first time ever, we tried intimidate checks against a bloodied opponent! It worked! We convinced it to call this a draw, grabbed another handful of its hoard, including a scroll we can use to escape the other way, and headed for the hills!.

Not quite dead again!

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[sarcasm]That sounds incredibly boring. Honestly, I don't know why you're bothering to play if you're not going to even try and have fun. [/sarcasm]
 


I'll be honest, I'm surprised you guys were able to actually hit elite monsters 7 levels higher than you. That's an expected defense bonus +7-8 higher than normal.
 

It seems your entire play session was chock full of bad/wrong/fun ... because it wasn't me having fun, of course!;)

Seems like the best remedy for grind is just creative playing and DMing. Sounds like it was fun on both sides of the screen.

Of course though, if your DM is worthy of his dice, I'd be looking over my shoulder for old tall, dark, and scaly.:devil:;)
 

I'll be honest, I'm surprised you guys were able to actually hit elite monsters 7 levels higher than you. That's an expected defense bonus +7-8 higher than normal.

Well, Brutes are slightly easier to hit which makes it just feasible. You're probably looking at hitting on 12-14 if you're fairly optimized. That's right in the range where it can work, give those brutes concealment or something, make flanking hard to get, don't have any leaders and you could run into grind.


The black dragon is monster which is very, very difficult to make fun and it's awesome you guys had a blast.
 

That encounter is an excellent example of why I think "grind" is not the problem it is made out to be. Seems to me the key is just to keep encounters active and lively. Plenty of terrain, monsters that move around and fight, unique obstacles and challenges... Sounds like the session was a lot of fun!
 

For the first time ever, we tried intimidate checks against a bloodied opponent! It worked! We convinced it to call this a draw, grabbed another handful of its hoard, including a scroll we can use to escape the other way, and headed for the hills!.PS

It sounds like a great out-of-the-rules-mechanics of 4e are working for your group. With the DC's provided on p. 42, you probably are on safe ground.
 

I'll be honest, I'm surprised you guys were able to actually hit elite monsters 7 levels higher than you. That's an expected defense bonus +7-8 higher than normal.

They weren't straight from the book. I've since looked at the stats, and they had slightly lower defenses, did less damage, and had fewer hp. They also weren't just leveled down from the Adventure Tool, so I assume my DM fiddled with them until he was happy. They were certainly scary!

And our Warlord sucked rocks. Last session he hit with everything - dailies, encounters... he was on fire. This month he averaged out... :(

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Yeah, by the book a monster 7-8 levels higher is almost impossible to hit. Lowering defenses makes it a lot more fun for the group.

Last game in my Merchant Prince game the PCs kept flipping back and forth in time between the present and the tiefling empire of Bael Turath, as they summoned a small army of undead dragonborn to help wipe out tiefling mercenaries. Then they disrupted a magical wall, used an undammed river to wipe out the army, and escaped drowning (or being knocked off a cliff) by a single roll.

(I had four of the six PCs captured the previous session; in this game, the PCs played dragonborn revenants who helped rescue their main characters.)

I can see how grind would occur if you use a lot of soldiers, but I haven't run into it yet.
 

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