wall of fire + wall of ice

[Markn]

I think its pretty much gonna depend on the DM. There are strong arguments in favor and against this working.

 

[abyssaldeath]

Ok, people you are overlooking some thing very important. Wall Of Fire and Wall of Ice are both conjurations. Conjurations can not be attacked or damaged in any way unless the power in question says so or unless a power specifically targets conjurations.

Special: A creature can attack one
square of the wall.

Wall of Fire is not a creature it is a conjuration and it makes no attacks.

Given the above, a Wall of Fire can not damage a Wall of Ice.





Edit: Change last sentence after reading Wall of Ice errata.

 

[Markn]

FWIW, I agree with you.

Despite that, there will be DMs who rule otherwise - hence DM/table variation as per my last post.

 

[the Jester]

Interesting. You appear to be correct- by the RAW, you could plunk a wall of ice down in a pool of lava and it will be fine, but two magical fire attacks worth 1 point of damage each will destroy it.

I'm prolly one of those dms that will house rule this, but I bow to the conjuration argument as far as RAW goes.

 

[by_the_sword]

Wall of fire+wall of ice= puddle of water.

 

[Crazy_Dragon]

puddles don't do damage, walls of steam do!

 

[DracoSuave]

Ok, people you are overlooking some thing very important. Wall Of Fire and Wall of Ice are both conjurations. Conjurations can not be attacked or damaged in any way unless the power in question says so or unless a power specifically targets conjurations.

Wall of Fire is not a creature it is a conjuration and it makes no attacks.

Given the above, a Wall of Fire can not damage a Wall of Ice.

Edit: Change last sentence after reading Wall of Ice errata.

Ah, but the -creator- of a Wall of Fire IS a creature.

That's the part that lets the Wall of Fire affect the Wall of Ice, should the creator choose to do so.

 

[abyssaldeath]

Ah, but the -creator- of a Wall of Fire IS a creature.

That's the part that lets the Wall of Fire affect the Wall of Ice, should the creator choose to do so.

Even so, the Wall of Fire doesn't make attacks. It does automatic damage. Since there is no attack roll involved the Wall of Ice takes no damage.

 

[DracoSuave]

Even so, the Wall of Fire doesn't make attacks.

Wall of Fire is an Attack power. It is an attack, according to the templating used in the PHB.

It doesn't need to -make- attacks. It IS an attack.

It does automatic damage. Since there is no attack roll involved the Wall of Ice takes no damage.

It doesn't need to make an attack roll. It is an Attack power. Thusly, considered an attack by the user. The user is a creature. The creature uses it adjacent to the wall of ice. This can be considered attacking the wall of ice (tho not making an attack, or an attack roll.)

You're not asking about the wall's capabilities here. The creature creating the wall or any and all other conjurations is making any and all attacks involved, and that creature is, in fact, a creature.

So, let's say a spirit conjuration was next to a wall of ice. Spirit powers could be used to attack the wall of ice. 'But conjurations aren't creatures?' Who cares. Irrelevant. The conjuration never made the attack to begin with. It was always the conjurer.

A Flaming Sphere? Conjurer.

A Creeping Doom? Conjurer.

See the pattern?

The presence of an attack roll isn't what makes the conjuration able to affect the Wall of Ice; it is the fact that it is a creature using an attack power.

 

[Markn]

puddles don't do damage, walls of steam do!

If the puddle is in your pants, then it can damage your pride.