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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6246368" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>Well, the Nentir Vale doesn't have it. And that's still D&D, right? </p><p></p><p>So CN might be used by a lot of settings. But just because a game is D&D doesn't mean that you can expect that Chaotic Neutral will be welcome in it. On the other hand, because it's in so many, it's probably an option you should provide (looks like a lot of folks find it useful!). </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think you're understanding the fact that Gygax was writing about a specific castle/dungeon/city/world when he wrote things. They didn't clearly label themselves as such, but it's pretty evident that they *are* (all druids belong to the same worldwide club in every world?). When Gygax was writing, there wasn't a distinction between his world and his game. When other people came along and put more worlds in the game, this distinction started to grow. In 2014, you can't really say that something that exists only in many of the worlds is synonymous with the game as a whole. That "rounding up" ignores and over-writes some of the awesome diversity that I feel is the <strong>true</strong> brand identity of D&D. CN doesn't exist in all instances of D&D, so it's not equal to D&D. There's a diversity there. That's awesome. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You can be using demons from the Abyss and not be playing in Greyhawk. It's a Greyhawk invention, but there's no law against grabbing it and using it in your games (and breaking off a piece of Greyhawk as you do). Again, that kind of appropriation is foundational to the game -- it's what Gygax himself did! </p><p></p><p>The important distinction is that you can't be playing D&D and thus assume that demons are from the Abyss. Because unless you're playing in a setting where they explicitly are, they might not be.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You seem to believe that the Core Rules are somehow neutral. This has never really been the case, either because the distinction wasn't relevant (in early D&D) or because of a specific choice (3e or 4e). </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It has become true. D&D isn't a specific world or a specific playstyle anymore. There's much within the umbrella of D&D. When you talk about D&D as a whole, you need to take into account all that diversity. So you can't say that demons are from the abyss in D&D, even if they're from the Abyss in 80% of D&D.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 6246368, member: 2067"] Well, the Nentir Vale doesn't have it. And that's still D&D, right? So CN might be used by a lot of settings. But just because a game is D&D doesn't mean that you can expect that Chaotic Neutral will be welcome in it. On the other hand, because it's in so many, it's probably an option you should provide (looks like a lot of folks find it useful!). I don't think you're understanding the fact that Gygax was writing about a specific castle/dungeon/city/world when he wrote things. They didn't clearly label themselves as such, but it's pretty evident that they *are* (all druids belong to the same worldwide club in every world?). When Gygax was writing, there wasn't a distinction between his world and his game. When other people came along and put more worlds in the game, this distinction started to grow. In 2014, you can't really say that something that exists only in many of the worlds is synonymous with the game as a whole. That "rounding up" ignores and over-writes some of the awesome diversity that I feel is the [B]true[/B] brand identity of D&D. CN doesn't exist in all instances of D&D, so it's not equal to D&D. There's a diversity there. That's awesome. You can be using demons from the Abyss and not be playing in Greyhawk. It's a Greyhawk invention, but there's no law against grabbing it and using it in your games (and breaking off a piece of Greyhawk as you do). Again, that kind of appropriation is foundational to the game -- it's what Gygax himself did! The important distinction is that you can't be playing D&D and thus assume that demons are from the Abyss. Because unless you're playing in a setting where they explicitly are, they might not be. You seem to believe that the Core Rules are somehow neutral. This has never really been the case, either because the distinction wasn't relevant (in early D&D) or because of a specific choice (3e or 4e). It has become true. D&D isn't a specific world or a specific playstyle anymore. There's much within the umbrella of D&D. When you talk about D&D as a whole, you need to take into account all that diversity. So you can't say that demons are from the abyss in D&D, even if they're from the Abyss in 80% of D&D. [/QUOTE]
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