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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6248633" data-attributes="member: 2525">None of that is FROM the cosmology, it was merely linked to it to try and reinforce the cosmology.  As you say, the cosmology itself was really minor.  If they hadn't added those creatures/races into the core books, it wouldn't have bothered you much I suspect.  But, I am pretty darn sure they added those creatures/races first (because their polls said they were popular with players from 3e) and then drew links between those creatures and the new cosmology.  But I seriously doubt there was a causal link between those things you object to (and others) and the cosmology.  It all seemed like a pretty shallow after-thought type connection.  And I am quite sure the idea that they PCs were heroes at first level did not come from the cosmology.  That's definitely an idea they decided on independent of cosmology.  You can have weak or strong PCs at first level, regardless of cosmology.  Bottom line - the cosmology itself, which we both agree was a pretty minor issue - is not what drove away significant portions of players.  It was other stuff (some of which WOTC tried to try some weak connections to the cosmology), not the cosmology itself.</blockquote>