Warhammer 3e Demo Experiences -OR- How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bits

[darjr]

Quest for Fun!: Warhammer Fantasy RolePlay Follow-up

I know there are probably lots and lots of other reviews, but I thought it was interesting to get the pov of a guy who might have to sell the thing.

 

[Pickles JG]

Sounds like a fun game to me, and I'd be happy to give it a shot. Personally, I couldn't care less whether a particular game is "board-gamey" or not, I'll take it on it's own merits.

I do find the "boardgamey" comments odd. RPGs have been around for 30 years & overwhelmingly used dice & pencil & paper for mechanical stuff. This game uses exceedingly odd dice cards & counters for the mechanical stuff. Surely though that's nothing to to with what makes a game a role playing game?

This one sounds a lot like DD4 with actions on cards &c though without the tactical minutiae I adore.

Anyway there are demos of the game at Fanboy3 in Manchester on Saturday & Sunday where I will be trying it out.

 

[Ariosto]

This one sounds a lot like DD4 ...

Maybe so. That didn't grab everyone in the "DD" world -- and this is supposedly WFRP "3e".

I guess we have seen what happens when that factor -- what is (or is not) actually recognizable in "brand recognition" -- gets neglected.

 

[ProfessorCirno]

Maybe so. That didn't grab everyone in the "DD" world -- and this is supposedly WFRP "3e".

I guess we have seen what happens when that factor -- what is (or is not) actually recognizable in "brand recognition" -- gets neglected.

That's kinda my issue with it.

I'm sure it might be a great game, but it just doesn't look like Warhammer to me.

 

[pedr]

According to Amazon UK, the RRP of Warhammer 3e is £80, while the 4e Core Rules gift set is £60. That strikes me as a fairly big difference. (And, incidentally, the RRP of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 2nd Edition was £25.)

It's worth noting that there is no VAT/sales tax on books in the UK, whereas WFRP isn't going to count as a book, so VAT is chargeable. If you had to pay VAT on the £60 core books for D&D you'd have to pay £69 now (more in January when the rate goes back up).

Of course, you could criticise FFG for producing a game which doesn't take advantage of favourable tax rates, but the difference in price is at least partly due to government decisions as well as those of FFG. Having said that, I'm not sure why the UK RRP is £80. FFG board games which have an RRP of $50 in the US (such as BSG) have a UK RRP of £35, which would suggest a £70 RRP for a $100 game.

 

[Ariosto]

So, the big question would seem to be how many people are eager to fork out for this new dice-and-cards-and-etc. game system.

Perhaps I missed it, but I don't recall any demand for such a thing from Warhammer FRP fans; the 2nd edition seems to have been well received, especially -- but not only -- by those who saw it as at last fixing shortcomings (e.g., in magic rules) that had been evident ere the first edition went out the Workshop door onto the sales floor.

The enthusiasm for this novelty seems to me more from folks who have no previous great interest in WFRP. Will they now put their money where their mouths are?

 

[Herremann the Wise]

So, the big question would seem to be how many people are eager to fork out for this new dice-and-cards-and-etc. game system.

Perhaps I missed it, but I don't recall any demand for such a thing from Warhammer FRP fans; the 2nd edition seems to have been well received, especially -- but not only -- by those who saw it as at last fixing shortcomings (e.g., in magic rules) that had been evident ere the first edition went out the Workshop door onto the sales floor.

The enthusiasm for this novelty seems to me more from folks who have no previous great interest in WFRP. Will they now put their money where their mouths are?

It's the number one RPG seller on Amazon at the moment - although what that's worth or says could mean anything. I think you're right in terms of appealing to a wider/different market than previous.

Best Regards
Herremann the Wise

 

[Ssadral]

Where did you see the link on Amazon.ca? I can't seem to find it on the Canadian site.

Gaahh... sorry. Somehow, when I was looking at the .ca site it switched to the .com site without me noticing. I thought I was going crazy trying to find it again at .ca

So, those quotes were for the US.

The D&D 4e gift set is $76.23 cdn.

So you can extrapolate that the WFRP 3e will be around $75 cdn. That is if Amazon.ca follows the same kind of formula that Amazon.com does.

Again sorry for the confusion.

 

[AllisterH]

Now here's a statement that might seem contradictory given my earlier posts.

I *hate* this dice resolution system. I, as a player or DM, LIKE knowing my odds before I roll the dice and I'm not seeing this system as easy to roughly calculate on the fly (and yes, I disliked intensely Shadowrun/Vampire bucketfull of dice for the same reason)

Secondly, what happens if I lose a couple of dice (and knowing myself, this _WILL_ happen)? Surely I don't have to buy the entire game once again JUST for dice

 

[jadrax]

Secondly, what happens if I lose a couple of dice (and knowing myself, this _WILL_ happen)? Surely I don't have to buy the entire game once again JUST for dice

Dice are available for sale separately, but only in a pre-selected pack.