Warlock Pre-Errata.

[Thanee]

That was my initial idea as well.

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Thanee

 

[shilsen]

That was my initial idea as well.

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Thanee

Hey - is that a "What shilsen said" flag I see there ?

 

[Thanee]

Sorta.

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Thanee

 

[Saeviomagy]

Name one.

Quicken Spell-like ability is that good. You'd be a fool not to take it ASAP.

Off the top of my head? Item creation feats. Ability focus. Extra invocation. Armoured casting (or battle casting, or whatever it's called). Flyby attack (for move-blast-move abilities). Supernatural transformation. Point blank shot, precise shot and improved precise shot. Combat brute and it's prereqs (for use with hideous blow). Improved trip, knockdown, leadership

The list goes on.

3/day 9d6 as a free action is ok. It's not the be-all end-all of feats.

 

[RigaMortus]

Maybe I am reading this wrong, but if EB is considered a 1st level spell OR whatever level the essense/blast makes it, you would never be able to apply Quicken Spell-like ability to it. QSLA requires that you apply it to a SLA that is at caster level 10th or higher. So again, as I read it, an unmodified EB would have a caster level of 1, or it would be modified by one of the essence/blasts, none of which I beleive are over 9th level. So how would you ever apply QSLA?

 

[Slobber Monster]

Maybe I am reading this wrong, but if EB is considered a 1st level spell OR whatever level the essense/blast makes it, you would never be able to apply Quicken Spell-like ability to it. QSLA requires that you apply it to a SLA that is at caster level 10th or higher. So again, as I read it, an unmodified EB would have a caster level of 1, or it would be modified by one of the essence/blasts, none of which I beleive are over 9th level. So how would you ever apply QSLA?

EB Spell Level = 1, or essence/blast level
EB Caster Level = Warlock Level

 

[RigaMortus]

EB Spell Level = 1, or essence/blast level
EB Caster Level = Warlock Level

Ok, that makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is, why wouldn't the EB Spell level also be equal to the Warlock's Level? What is the reasoning for seperating EB's "spell" level and EB's "caster" level?

 

[Testament]

Ok, that makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is, why wouldn't the EB Spell level also be equal to the Warlock's Level? What is the reasoning for seperating EB's "spell" level and EB's "caster" level?

Ummm, because that's what is effectively done with EVERY caster in the game?

And if they don't then the Warlock can NEVER qualify for any of the Meta-SLA feats.

 

[Slobber Monster]

Ok, that makes sense. But what doesn't make sense is, why wouldn't the EB Spell level also be equal to the Warlock's Level? What is the reasoning for seperating EB's "spell" level and EB's "caster" level?

It puts it in line with every other spellcaster in the game - e.g. a Level 6 Sorcerer gets 3rd Level Spells. Spellcaster level affects checks for Counterspelling and Spell Resistance, so this must stay in line with casters of equal character level. Spell Level affects things like the aformentioned feat eligibility and Lesser Globe of Invulnerability. They chose Spell Level 1 to make sure it would be eligable for the SLA feats.

 

[RigaMortus]

It puts it in line with every other spellcaster in the game - e.g. a Level 6 Sorcerer gets 3rd Level Spells. Spellcaster level affects checks for Counterspelling and Spell Resistance, so this must stay in line with casters of equal character level. Spell Level affects things like the aformentioned feat eligibility and Lesser Globe of Invulnerability. They chose Spell Level 1 to make sure it would be eligable for the SLA feats.

But I thought the SLA feats require specific caster levels, not specific spell levels?

Quicken SLA has the prereq of: Spell-like ability at caster level 10th or higher.

Now, if the Spell level of EB matched the Caster Level of EB, you would still qualify for this feat, because spell level has nothing to do w/ the qualifications.