Warlock's EBlast and MetaSpell-like Ability

[Thanee]

But I'm under the impression that EB's are definitely spell like abilities...

Where exactly in my post do you see anything contrary to that!?

Erm... if you have two numbers... 4 and 6, then the highest from those is 4 or 2?

Bye
Thanee

 

[RolandOfGilead]

I'm using quicken, empower, and violate spell from the Book of Vile darkness, which has some real differences. check them out! My DM calls them "Quicken Vile spell like ability" and "Empower vile spell like ability"
Pretty neat.

quicken for instance, lets you use the quicken power on ANY and ALL of your SLA's 1/day.
Empower allows you to use Empower on ANY and ALL of your SLA's 2/day. This isnt as bad as it sounds, as the warlock has very few SLA's which are targets for this power.
Finally,
Violate spell like ability is awesome for a warlock. 1/2 his damage cant be healed except in a consecrate or hallow effect. nasty!

 

[ARandomGod]

Where exactly in my post do you see anything contrary to that!?

Erm... if you have two numbers... 4 and 6, then the highest from those is 4 or 2?

Bye
Thanee

I personally don't.

Well, it was an awesome wild ride for him while it lasted.
I'm glad it was straightened up before gameday (tomorrow).

One further question, if anyone sees this and knows the answer.
Does it say anywhere what type of damage Eldritch Blast does? I don't see a label... I'd personally rule force. At the moment as far as I can see it's either that or "just damage". Anyone know the answer to this?

 

[Staffan]

Does it say anywhere what type of damage Eldritch Blast does? I don't see a label... I'd personally rule force. At the moment as far as I can see it's either that or "just damage". Anyone know the answer to this?

Unless modified by an invocation, it's generic energy. It's not any of the five normal energy types, so it doesn't have to deal with energy resistance, but it's not force either so it doesn't have any special ability to deal with incorporeal creatures.

 

[Thanee]

I'd say it's of the "just damage" type.

It doesn't seem to specify anything.

Bye
Thanee

 

[ARandomGod]

I'm using quicken, empower, and violate spell from the Book of Vile darkness, which has some real differences. check them out! My DM calls them "Quicken Vile spell like ability" and "Empower vile spell like ability"
Pretty neat.

quicken for instance, lets you use the quicken power on ANY and ALL of your SLA's 1/day.
Empower allows you to use Empower on ANY and ALL of your SLA's 2/day. This isnt as bad as it sounds, as the warlock has very few SLA's which are targets for this power.
Finally,
Violate spell like ability is awesome for a warlock. 1/2 his damage cant be healed except in a consecrate or hallow effect. nasty!

So... does this read like it could be applied to the blast? I'm looking it up and I don't see a descriptor where it can only be applied to abilities with a level lower than X... Or to say, it looks like they apply to ALL SLA's, even maximum power ones like Eldritch Blast...

THIS one doesn't look "funny" like the last one did. It in fact looks like it will work. Anybody see why it wouldn't?

 

[Andor]

I think it would work. By the same token the purify spell like ability and consecrate spell like ability feats from the book of exalted deeds would also work. Interestingly enough those two are general feats, not exalted feats, so you don't even have to be a goody two-shoes.

On second thought looking through the Book of Vile Darkness a DM may want to think seriously before allowing warlocks access to it.

It has different versions of Empower/Quicken Spell like ability that are much more useful. The Mortalbane feat let's a warlock stack another 2d6 onto a spell like ability 5 times a day.

 

[Thanee]

It's called the book of vile darkness for a reason. This very book is vile.

Why they present the same feat (even has the same name), which is in the core rules already, in a different (and obviously quite broken (no prerequisites!?)) version is beyond me.

Oh, I think I found the reason... BoVD is 3.0 still, right? So the versions in there are obviously obsolete now and superseded by the 3.5 core rules.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Rikandur Azebol]

I think it would work. By the same token the purify spell like ability and consecrate spell like ability feats from the book of exalted deeds would also work. Interestingly enough those two are general feats, not exalted feats, so you don't even have to be a goody two-shoes.

On second thought looking through the Book of Vile Darkness a DM may want to think seriously before allowing warlocks access to it.

It has different versions of Empower/Quicken Spell like ability that are much more useful. The Mortalbane feat let's a warlock stack another 2d6 onto a spell like ability 5 times a day.

Imagine Warlock builded with these all feats, *shrudder* even without much tinkering Warlock is terribly powerful ... Look at his ability to create ANY magic item via his Use Magic Device skill ! Personally I think that compared with ordinary wizards/sorcerers Warlock still gains the upper hand. If he would surviwe first rounds.

 

[Andor]

The item creation still requires the appropriate feats. It's hardly broken. Especially given the artificer class which can do the same thing, and gets a reserve of XP to do it with, and gets all the feats for free.

Given a wizards vastly greater versatility and the ability to use metamagic feats a prepared wizard should beat a warlock everytime. A sorcerer probably has better than even odds.

A warlock is superior to other spell casters not over the short term violence of a mage duel or a standard encounter, but in the long haul. Which matters little if the warlock already died.