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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6752654" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>Allow me to be the person to do that then. Because, as much as this poll would validate my feelings, it still is "unscientific." Rather, it suffers from cripplingly severe data-collection flaws that render its pertinence questionable, but that's a half-decent shorthand word.</p><p></p><p>The only meaningful data I can see from it is that it tells us that, <em>even here on ENWorld</em>, where people frequently and vocally complain* about the "military rank" and "political" significance of the class's name, such terms--Warlord, Marshal, Captain, Commander--remained the vast majority of the "preferred" terms, being 4 of the top 5 selections, or 7 of the top 10 (allowing "Warduke" as a fantastical-history variation on Warlord). And of the three remaining, one is already taken as a subclass name, so you couldn't make a <em>new</em> class or subclass by that name (which, of course, could be the intent).</p><p></p><p>It seems clear, when wanting to select a name with the broadest base of support--at least here on ENWorld--you should select something which, in common usage, clearly connotes being somewhere in a chain of command with other people following your orders, and which avoids a perception of being overly linked to a single culture or non-Medieval historical period. You can't pick a name that will definitely make everyone on ENWorld happy, but one of the four names I listed above will probably be acceptable to a majority of people who want to discuss the class-concept (even if some of those who would accept any of those four names would still <em>prefer</em> a different name from the same list).</p><p></p><p>If wanting to select a name with the broadest support among the D&D-playing population generally? You're on your own. :S</p><p></p><p>*That, actually, is one other potentially-interesting point this thread <em>may</em> support (again, biased data-collection noted). "Warlord fans" are almost always characterized, on this forum, as being a tiny vocal minority constantly stirring the pot. Given that ~48% of posters actually <em>like</em> the name "Warlord," even if they don't care for its specific mechanical implementation in any specific system, it would seem that the vocal opponents are <em>also</em> a minority constantly stirring the pot.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It could also be said that over 48% do--which, for many things far, far more important than the name of a TTRPG class, is often considered sufficient. For example, <em>neither</em> of the "main party" candidates in the 2000 US Presidential election won 50% of the vote; same goes for the 1996, 1992, 1968, 1960, 1948, 1916, and 1912 (where the 'winner' had only 41.8% of the popular vote) elections. Many, many contests where multiple options compete but only one can win will result in something like this. If we accept it for such elections (and for similar, though not identical, 'majority party' elections in parliamentarian systems e.g. Great Britain) I fail to see why it should be even remotely stigmatized for this subject.</p><p></p><p>With a topic as contentious as this one, getting <em>any</em> result within spitting distance of 50% is a substantial achievement, and reflects--among those who voted, anyway, aka ENWorld posters who actually know this subforum exists and saw this poll--a fairly broad base of support.</p><p></p><p>Edit:</p><p>It's also worth pointing out that, because I did this on my phone, I thought it was single-choice, not multiple-choice, which would bump things up a tad <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>Edit II:</p><p>And upon updating my votes to reflect my complete preferences, rather than voting purely for humor (who says Warlord fans don't have a sense of humor?)...</p><p>Edit III:</p><p>It would actually be kind of interesting to see what happens if we take, say, the 10 most popular results from your analysis, [MENTION=6795807]elma[/MENTION]hdi, and made a new poll based on just those and nothing else. See where votes fall when they aren't resorting to "other" as much--and when certain options like <s>Harold</s> Herald are on the list.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 6752654, member: 6790260"] Allow me to be the person to do that then. Because, as much as this poll would validate my feelings, it still is "unscientific." Rather, it suffers from cripplingly severe data-collection flaws that render its pertinence questionable, but that's a half-decent shorthand word. The only meaningful data I can see from it is that it tells us that, [I]even here on ENWorld[/I], where people frequently and vocally complain* about the "military rank" and "political" significance of the class's name, such terms--Warlord, Marshal, Captain, Commander--remained the vast majority of the "preferred" terms, being 4 of the top 5 selections, or 7 of the top 10 (allowing "Warduke" as a fantastical-history variation on Warlord). And of the three remaining, one is already taken as a subclass name, so you couldn't make a [I]new[/I] class or subclass by that name (which, of course, could be the intent). It seems clear, when wanting to select a name with the broadest base of support--at least here on ENWorld--you should select something which, in common usage, clearly connotes being somewhere in a chain of command with other people following your orders, and which avoids a perception of being overly linked to a single culture or non-Medieval historical period. You can't pick a name that will definitely make everyone on ENWorld happy, but one of the four names I listed above will probably be acceptable to a majority of people who want to discuss the class-concept (even if some of those who would accept any of those four names would still [I]prefer[/I] a different name from the same list). If wanting to select a name with the broadest support among the D&D-playing population generally? You're on your own. :S *That, actually, is one other potentially-interesting point this thread [I]may[/I] support (again, biased data-collection noted). "Warlord fans" are almost always characterized, on this forum, as being a tiny vocal minority constantly stirring the pot. Given that ~48% of posters actually [I]like[/I] the name "Warlord," even if they don't care for its specific mechanical implementation in any specific system, it would seem that the vocal opponents are [I]also[/I] a minority constantly stirring the pot. It could also be said that over 48% do--which, for many things far, far more important than the name of a TTRPG class, is often considered sufficient. For example, [I]neither[/I] of the "main party" candidates in the 2000 US Presidential election won 50% of the vote; same goes for the 1996, 1992, 1968, 1960, 1948, 1916, and 1912 (where the 'winner' had only 41.8% of the popular vote) elections. Many, many contests where multiple options compete but only one can win will result in something like this. If we accept it for such elections (and for similar, though not identical, 'majority party' elections in parliamentarian systems e.g. Great Britain) I fail to see why it should be even remotely stigmatized for this subject. With a topic as contentious as this one, getting [I]any[/I] result within spitting distance of 50% is a substantial achievement, and reflects--among those who voted, anyway, aka ENWorld posters who actually know this subforum exists and saw this poll--a fairly broad base of support. Edit: It's also worth pointing out that, because I did this on my phone, I thought it was single-choice, not multiple-choice, which would bump things up a tad :) Edit II: And upon updating my votes to reflect my complete preferences, rather than voting purely for humor (who says Warlord fans don't have a sense of humor?)... Edit III: It would actually be kind of interesting to see what happens if we take, say, the 10 most popular results from your analysis, [MENTION=6795807]elma[/MENTION]hdi, and made a new poll based on just those and nothing else. See where votes fall when they aren't resorting to "other" as much--and when certain options like [s]Harold[/s] Herald are on the list. [/QUOTE]
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