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5E Warlord Name Poll

Choose your Warlord Class name.

  • Warlord

    Votes: 54 45.4%
  • Warduke

    Votes: 3 2.5%
  • Marshal

    Votes: 39 32.8%
  • Commander

    Votes: 23 19.3%
  • Battle Master

    Votes: 10 8.4%
  • Decanus

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Facilis

    Votes: 2 1.7%
  • Coordinatus

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Consul

    Votes: 11 9.2%
  • Adjuvant/Adjutant

    Votes: 4 3.4%
  • Caid/Qaid/Alcaide

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Docent

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Sardaukar

    Votes: 6 5.0%
  • Concord Administrator

    Votes: 3 2.5%
  • Other (post your idea/choice)

    Votes: 25 21.0%
  • Lemon Curry

    Votes: 20 16.8%

  • Total voters
    119

El Mahdi

Muad'Dib of the Anauroch
Things have been a little tense throughout the Warlord threads, so maybe it’s time for a less contentious topic and one we can have a little fun with: the name of the Warlord class. This is a Warlord thread topic that hasn’t had its own treatment for a while, and there have been a lot of comments made about the name of the Warlord class throughout these threads. Since we’re making/proposing a new Warlord Class, seems that this is as good a time as any to give it a new name (or at least get ideas/data/opinions on the name).

I’ve poured over the older threads about the class name, and scoured Wikipedia and thesaurus’s for name ideas.

Here’s what I have (below), with my commentary on each.* I boiled these potential names down to the ones I thought most likely to be accepted or most appropriate. I tried to judge names on the following criteria:

-Is not exclusively/predominantly Military, but does not exclude Military.
-Is not exclusively/predominantly Civilian, but does not exclude Civilian.
-Does not specificallydenote Authority, but does denote Leadership.
-Does not carry anyother exclusive connotation.
-Sounds like a class name, and could stand on its own next to other class names.

However, I have included some results in the poll that don’t fulfill some of the above criteria because of tradition, or simply because of how they sound.

*Editorial Caveat: All commentary is wholly my own opinion, and not a reflection of the Warlord staff.


Warlord – has a connotation of despotic evilness and illegitimate authority, but it’s the current name so it’s in the poll.

Warduke – similar to Warlord and has a nobility/class rank aspect, but sounds cool so it’s in the poll.

Marshal – has both a predominantly military connotation and a noble/class rank aspect, but it’s the name of the 3.5E class so it’s in the poll.

Commander – has a predominantly military connotation, and is a rank name, but is predominantly a positional title rather than rank, so I included it in the poll to be fair.

Battle Master – has a predominantly combat-only connotation, but it’s the name of the Warlord-ish, 5E Fighter Class Archetype so it’s in the poll.

Decanus (decurio, decurion) – technically a rank (Roman squad leader or “leader of ten”) but obscure enough to work and related to similar civil titles – also a rare medieval title (military, civil, and church officials) – etymological root of Dean (through Doyen).

Facilis – Latin root of Facilitator (a large part of what the class does – facilitates tactics, strategy, and synergy for the group), and it sounds cool (semi-cool?).

Coordinatus – Latin root of Coordinator (similar reasoning as Facilis).

Consul – My personal favorite – it has military connotation (Military Consul, War Consul) and Civil connotation (civil title and function), doesn’t imply authority, and even fits an adventuring theme (Expeditionary Consul).

Adjuvant/Adjutant – From the Latin “to help” – Adjuvant is also a term used as a pharmacological or immunological agent, much like a biological catalyst, to support other treatments or make things better.

Caid/Qaid/Alcaide – From Moorish Arabic for “leader”

Docent – From the Latin “to teach” –usually a university title for professors, but I like the sound of the word and threw it in for added diversity in choices.

Sardaukar – Just a little joke.

Concord Administrator – Another joke.




Rejected ideas:
Captain (exclusively military, exclusivelya rank, exclusively noble, modern usage)
Sergeant, Corporal, Lance Corporal (exclusively military, exclusively ranks, exclusively non-noble, too much modern usage)
Dean (college connotation, church connotation, and sounds boring)
Doyen (same as above, and sounds stupid when spoken – Doh!)
Chief (overly authoritative)
Castelan, Provost, Chamberlain, Seneschal, Herald, Steward, Commissioner (all are too civil, denote administrators, and imply nobility or a noble servant)
Commisar (too USSR)
Legate (exclusively military, exclusively a rank, and too Star Trek Cardassian)
Preator (military and civil, but denotes very high rank/class and authority)
Archon (predominantly military, a rank, and a D&D race name)
Caudillo (Spanish/Latin, literally Captain, and used pejoratively for Warlord and Dictator, in Spanish culture it has a very strong authoritative connotation)
Condottieri (Spanish/Latin, literally Mercenary Captain or Mercenary Warlord)
Chancellor (Hello Mr. Palpatine…)
Magistrate (Judge – I Am the Law!)
Primus (Prime – In Charge – too authoritative)
Bashar/Burseg (exclusively military, exclusively a rank, too authoritative, too Dune)
Director (too authoritative, too boring)
Facilitator, Expediter, Coordinator,Adviser/Advisor, Moderator (too boring – but have included the Latin root Facilis and Coordinatus in the poll)
Counsellor (booooooooring)
Consigliere (too Godfather)
Ambassador, Emissary, Mediator, Delegate, Envoy (too much Diplomat and not enough strategy, tactics, and combat – and too Noble)
Master/Maester/Maesteri/Maestro (predominantly craft skill level, craft guild rank, or academic/musical)
Headman/Hauptman (root of Captain and too authoritative)
Proconsul (the Pro- makes it too authoritative)
Shepherd (too religious, too bucolic, too Firefly)
Synergist (too boring, and sounds like some kind of psychic)
Armiger (exclusively military and noble)
Sherriff (too noble, too law enforcement)
Impetro/Impetrus (too authoritative – Imperial)
Adjunct (too subordinate, too Star Trek Borg - Seven of Nine, Tertiary Adjunct of Unimatrix Zero-One)
Prolucutor (the Pro- makes it too authoritative, sounds like the person is a professional talker, and is just too hard to say)
Warden (too Ranger)
Leader(zzzzzzzzzz…)


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I've long held that the correct term for the concept frequently called warlord or marshall is "Fighter".

It's simply the "smart fighter" or "charismatic fighter" archetype. It's a bad idea because it silos away from the fighter abilities that should be part of the fighter's core idea. Every fighter eventually should reach a point when they are no longer just a grunt on the field, but a legitimate leader of men in battle. The concept of a warlord or marshal is simply a fighter that is especially good at that, even at low level. It should be a fighter subclass, plus a few feats available to enhance anyone that wants to take that 'battle leader' sort of role.

Incidentally, I like 'Battle Leader', 'Captain', 'Commander', and 'Marshal'. To master battle is not the same as leading in one, or over others. Commander is the most appropriate modern analogue, but in the middle ages the word Captain would have been preferred as the term applied to the leader of any band of men and was much less of a formal rank. The retention of the usage is seen in the captain of a sports team, particular when the captain is elected or chosen rather than appointed. Marshall is fine as well, although it applies as much to the idea of bringing men to a battle than to leading them in it, it also applies to being the leader (hense the term 'Field Marshal'). Much more than 'Captain' though, I think Marshal implies rank. A leader of bandits could claim to be their captain, and would even be accepted as entitled to the title because it merely means leader and not a rank. I don't think the same idea is true of the word Marshal. A self-titled captain is still a captain. But a self-titled general is pretentious. So Commander and Captain are better than Marshal.
 
Yeah, I still haven't thought of or found a name I really like.

Warlord I'm fine with just because that's already in use.

Marshal I would be fine with if Martial wasn't already in use in the game (especially in 4e.)

Commander I'm actually okay with even if its a bit bland.

Warduke I've never considered before but I don't mind it.

I've been trying to come up with a totally new word or reappropriated word or term for the concept.
 

El Mahdi

Muad'Dib of the Anauroch
Why not Banneret?
I didn't think of that at all - don't know how I missed it. Probably because I dismissed noble titles right from the start - didn't even consider them.

It sounds good though. However, it does have a predominantly military and noble connotation, despite it also being a magisterial title of church controlled Rome.
 

Bawylie

Villager
I went with Warlord. I'm not fussed about connotations in a game with Rogues, Witches, Demons, Devils, and Assassins.
 
Warlord is fine. It's the existing name, after all.

Tolkien, in LotR, describes characters who broadly fit the warlord archetype as captains. I would be happy with captain or battle captain.
 

doctorbadwolf

Explorer
I disagree that Captain is exclusively military, exclusively noble, or a modern usage issue.

It refers to a person who people follow, primarily. Captain of industry is a modern usage, but it is 100% in line with what captain has always meant. In LOTR, Boromir calls Agagorn his Captain, but it has nothing to do with military structure or even his lineage. He is acknoledging Aragorn as a person who deserves to be followed, who merits respect. Hawke and The Warden from the Dragon Age series are captains, regardless of any rank or lack of rank, and for most warden origins, you start with no rank or titles, but you still fit the Captain archetype just fine.

Robin Hood isn't a captain because he was a noble, either, or because he gained any high rank in the Crusades. He is a captain because when he speaks, people listen, and when he leads by example, people follow.

Honestly, other than maybe Consul, I don't think there is another name for the class that even comes close.
 

jodyjohnson

Villager
Banneret
then Warlord
then Marshal

Looking up the British rank of Marshal I hadn't realized it was the highest rank (above general).

Warlord has already grown on me so it's my second.

The negative connotations are comparable to Rogue, Sorceror, Thief or Assassin.
 

Ohillion

Villager
I like Marshall as it does indicate a certain amount of appointment. There were a few, other than the obvious inside reference you made, that I simply wouldn't consider out of the oddness of speaking the title (linguistics count!) as well as some that seemed too Latin in nature such as Decanus, Facilis (in French, this could loosely be translated as "One who makes things simple"), and Coordinatus. IMHO, Coordinatus is a commander in the wings that won't step foot on the battlefield and a Consul is a council member that wouldn't enter the adventurers life or has since retired from it.

So I voted for Marshall as the best name for the class. The role the Marshall falls into is one of fighter and commander but not either exclusively. The Marshall, or Marshaller, does just that; calls their soldiers to battle, organizes the formations, and shouts tactics and maneuvers in order to bring about a successful end to the engagement. This requires the Charisma necessary to to build the class. I think it's an easy appointment and with a good background designation, the Marshall could be taken quite seriously as the party leader.

p.s. Speaking of which, and also IMHO, if you want to be taken seriously, remove Lemon Curry as a voting option. It helped to derail the last forum for a few pages of thread. And, if you want constructive input about the topic, removing anything meaningless furthers your goals.
 

doctorbadwolf

Explorer
I've long held that the correct term for the concept frequently called warlord or marshall is "Fighter".

It's simply the "smart fighter" or "charismatic fighter" archetype. It's a bad idea because it silos away from the fighter abilities that should be part of the fighter's core idea. Every fighter eventually should reach a point when they are no longer just a grunt on the field, but a legitimate leader of men in battle. The concept of a warlord or marshal is simply a fighter that is especially good at that, even at low level. It should be a fighter subclass, plus a few feats available to enhance anyone that wants to take that 'battle leader' sort of role.
I disagree with this so strongly I don't even know where to start. Especially the part I bolded. I think that is completely false. Some fighters should, sure. It should definitely be an option. But not all fighter concepts should ever stop being the guy who stands in front with a shield and takes the hits, or the Lancer (five man band role) or whatever.
And that aside, I don't think that having a class dedicated to influence, leadership, possibly manipulation/diplomacy, and tactics takes anything at all from Fighter. First, because overlap is an ok thing. Second, because the fighter is about combat, and the overlap would 90% be between one Captain subclass (and maybe one or two core class features) and some members of a fighter subclass, and a small number of other fighters at higher levels...that's not much overlap.
By which I mean, about as much overlap as the rogue and the ranger.

Incidentally, I like 'Battle Leader', 'Captain', 'Commander', and 'Marshal'. To master battle is not the same as leading in one, or over others. Commander is the most appropriate modern analogue, but in the middle ages the word Captain would have been preferred as the term applied to the leader of any band of men and was much less of a formal rank. The retention of the usage is seen in the captain of a sports team, particular when the captain is elected or chosen rather than appointed. Marshall is fine as well, although it applies as much to the idea of bringing men to a battle than to leading them in it, it also applies to being the leader (hense the term 'Field Marshal'). Much more than 'Captain' though, I think Marshal implies rank. A leader of bandits could claim to be their captain, and would even be accepted as entitled to the title because it merely means leader and not a rank. I don't think the same idea is true of the word Marshal. A self-titled captain is still a captain. But a self-titled general is pretentious. So Commander and Captain are better than Marshal.
Exactly right.
 

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