Warrior Humanoids and Skill Points

[smetzger]

Ok, So how much do ranks cost for humanoids warriors with 1 HD for skills that are on the humanoids skill list but not on the warriors skill list?

For example the Hobgoblin has Hide, Listen, Move Silently, and Spot as class skills. None of these are class skills for a Warrior.
Since Hobgoblins are 1 HD, they lose their 'racial' skill points and then get skill points for the character class, warrior.

So, by my reckoning they have to buy Hide, Listen, Move Silently, and Spot as cross class. But since their class skills for a Hobgoblin, the max rank is calculated as a class skill.

Is that correct or did I miss something?

BTW the skills are messed up for the Hobgoblin warrior in the SRD.
Hide +3 = -1 armor + 1 Dex + 3 ranks
Listen +2 = -1 Wis + 3 ranks
Move Silently +3 = -1 armor +1 Dex + 3 ranks? + 4 racial?
Spot +2 = -1 Wis + 3 ranks
Even if they can spend these as class skills and if they didn't put any ranks in Move Silently they would then have spent 9 skill points. But since they have a 10 Int, a 1st level warrior only gets 8 skill points.

Confused,
*:> Scott

 

[AGGEMAM]

Is that correct or did I miss something?

BTW the skills are messed up for the Hobgoblin warrior in the SRD.
Hide +3 = -1 armor + 1 Dex + 3 ranks
Listen +2 = -1 Wis + 3 ranks
Move Silently +3 = -1 armor +1 Dex + 3 ranks? + 4 racial?
Spot +2 = -1 Wis + 3 ranks

You missed several things:

It has Alertness which gives +2 on spot and listen checks

It has a both armor and shield giving a total penalty of -2 on Hide and Move Silently checks.

You also forgot that Listen and Spot are cross-class skills which cost double for one rank.

So it looks like this with 8 skill points spent.

Hide +3 = -2 armor +1 Dex +4 ranks
Listen +2 = -1 Wis +2 Alertness +1 rank
Move Silently +3 = -2 armor +1 Dex +4 racial
Spot +2 = -1 Wis +2 Alertness +1 rank

What really bugs me is how he got 4 ranks in Hide since that is a crossclass skill as well.

 

[nsruf]

AFAIK 1 HD races don't have "racial skills" - they are always created just like PCs. So all listed skills would have to be bought as cross-class skills.

Skill breakdown would be

Hide 4 sp = 2 ranks +1 Dex -2 armor = +1
Listen 2 sp = 1 rank -1 Wis +2 Alertness = +2
Move Silently 0 sp = 0 ranks +1 Dex +4 racial -2 armor = +3
Spot 2 sp = 1 rank -1 Wis +2 Alertness = +2

so their skills are actually off. Maybe just a cut-and-paste from the 3.0 MM?

 

[AGGEMAM]

so their skills are actually off. Maybe just a cut-and-paste from the 3.0 MM?

Nope checked that too.

The only thing wrong is the hide check which should be +1, not +3.