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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6826779" data-attributes="member: 7006">I think the real question&nbsp;&nbsp; [MENTION=6806492]randrak[/MENTION] has to ask himself is &quot;If the guys are angry, do I care?&quot;I mean, isn't that really the whole point?&nbsp; He wrote this post telling us his players annoy him, and he ends it with the players genuinely pissed at him.&nbsp; But does that really matter?&nbsp; His thread title was &quot;Was I In The Wrong?&quot; so obviously he was curious how we felt about it... but nothing in what he wrote in the post itself gives any real indication that he felt bad about what he did.&nbsp; He made sure to word and do everything in such a way to force the players to be extra-careful and dilligent to avoid screwing themselves (the same way some DMs behave when they give the players a Ring of Wishes), and the players failed the test-- they lost the ring and gauntlets.&nbsp; So is he just looking for some verification that he doesn't need to feel bad about what he did?&nbsp; Well, he certainly got that... many of the folks here are on his side... so the point is made, isn't it?Some people run D&amp;D as a game you &quot;win&quot; by playing smart, paying attention, and making good tactical decisions.&nbsp; And if the players aren't on their game, then they'll miss things and the DM doesn't feel bad about it (nor goes out of his way to remind them of what they may or may not be missing.)&nbsp; If randrak is that kind of DM, then he accomplished what he wanted.&nbsp; All that's left is to decide whether or not he cares if his players don't &quot;trust&quot; any other NPCs in the game.&nbsp; Based upon how he ran the scenario... I don't know that he would.&nbsp; After all... if a player chooses to play his character as not trusting what anyone in the world says... so what?&nbsp; It just makes for different (but not necessarily bad) roleplaying experiences going forward.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 6826779, member: 7006"] I think the real question [MENTION=6806492]randrak[/MENTION] has to ask himself is "If the guys are angry, do I care?" I mean, isn't that really the whole point? He wrote this post telling us his players annoy him, and he ends it with the players genuinely pissed at him. But does that really matter? His thread title was "Was I In The Wrong?" so obviously he was curious how we felt about it... but nothing in what he wrote in the post itself gives any real indication that he felt bad about what he did. He made sure to word and do everything in such a way to force the players to be extra-careful and dilligent to avoid screwing themselves (the same way some DMs behave when they give the players a Ring of Wishes), and the players failed the test-- they lost the ring and gauntlets. So is he just looking for [i]some[/i] verification that he doesn't need to feel bad about what he did? Well, he certainly got that... many of the folks here are on his side... so the point is made, isn't it? Some people run D&D as a game you "win" by playing smart, paying attention, and making good tactical decisions. And if the players aren't on their game, then they'll miss things and the DM doesn't feel bad about it (nor goes out of his way to remind them of what they may or may not be missing.) If [b]randrak[/b] is that kind of DM, then he accomplished what he wanted. All that's left is to decide whether or not he cares if his players don't "trust" any other NPCs in the game. Based upon how he ran the scenario... I don't know that he would. After all... if a player chooses to play his character as not trusting what anyone in the world says... so what? It just makes for different (but not necessarily bad) roleplaying experiences going forward. [/QUOTE]

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