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<blockquote data-quote="ExploderWizard" data-source="post: 6827395" data-attributes="member: 66434">Interesting that you mention that he isn't there to be the parent. I agree!&nbsp; The DM isn't there to walk behind his players with outstretched arms to catch them if they fall as if they were toddlers. What could the player have done? In the OP when the smith asked if the whole thing was for sale, the player could have asked him what he meant by that. A player mentally sleepwalking through interaction with an NPC has only him/her self to blame. To this I say that there can be mixed expectations and willingness to invest within the same group. Those willing to put more into the game are going to get more out of it. Casual players who just show up to hang out for a few laughs can certainly do that if that is what they find fun but might not get everything out of the game that a more focused player will. This is simply how it is with hobbies. Those that are willing to put more into them get more out of them. Players don't improve by having the DM follow behind them cleaning up their poop. Players can either decide to try and improve their game and pay attention or keep it casual and continue to miss things. In any event the DM shouldn't have to run his/her game geared toward a kindergarten&nbsp; class because a couple of players enjoy goofing off and refuse to pay attention. If someone's fun is being ruined by not paying attention then they can fix that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ExploderWizard, post: 6827395, member: 66434"] Interesting that you mention that he isn't there to be the parent. I agree! The DM isn't there to walk behind his players with outstretched arms to catch them if they fall as if they were toddlers. What could the player have done? In the OP when the smith asked if the [B]whole thing [/B]was for sale, the player could have asked him what he meant by that. A player mentally sleepwalking through interaction with an NPC has only him/her self to blame. To this I say that there can be mixed expectations and willingness to invest within the same group. Those willing to put more into the game are going to get more out of it. Casual players who just show up to hang out for a few laughs can certainly do that if that is what they find fun but might not get everything out of the game that a more focused player will. This is simply how it is with hobbies. Those that are willing to put more into them get more out of them. Players don't improve by having the DM follow behind them cleaning up their poop. Players can either decide to try and improve their game and pay attention or keep it casual and continue to miss things. In any event the DM shouldn't have to run his/her game geared toward a kindergarten class because a couple of players enjoy goofing off and refuse to pay attention. If someone's fun is being ruined by not paying attention then they can fix that. [/QUOTE]

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