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<blockquote data-quote="AaronOfBarbaria" data-source="post: 6842387" data-attributes="member: 6701872">Whether the player missed clues is not actually at issue.What is at issue is that, according to the DM, the player declared an intent to sell &quot;armor.&quot; The DM has not claimed that the player actually said &quot;all the stuff in this bundle,&quot; nor indicated any reason for making the assumption that &quot;armor&quot; meant &quot;all the stuff in this bundle.&quot;Player: I sell a coil of rope to the guy.DM: He gives you 2 gp for it.Player: Cool.. I head off to the other place I'm going, and get some jerky out of my backpack to snack on along the way.DM: You have no backpack.Player: What? Since when?DM: Since you sold it to that guy along with the rope.The only &quot;clue&quot; that the player missed was the &quot;clue&quot; that his DM was intentionally deciding to misinterpret clearly stated intent - expecting the player to say &quot;I sell item X, but not also everything else in the same container and the container itself.&quot; when &quot;I sell item X&quot; should be taken to mean exactly that same thing.Of course, this all just based on what information the DM actually presented - I might be wrong in believing the DM when they said the player said &quot;armor&quot;, the player could have actually said something that indicated a meaning more than just &quot;armor&quot;, and the DM could be lying about it... of course, I don't find that a likely scenario since people that lie typically lie to make themselves look better, and there is no benefit for this DM in saying what is effectively &quot;The player said 'armor,' and I deliberately and unfairly interpreted that to mean 'armor, and also other items that I didn't actually mention' because I felt at the time that it was deserved unfairness.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AaronOfBarbaria, post: 6842387, member: 6701872"] Whether the player missed clues is not actually at issue. What is at issue is that, according to the DM, the player declared an intent to sell "armor." The DM has not claimed that the player actually said "all the stuff in this bundle," nor indicated any reason for making the assumption that "armor" meant "all the stuff in this bundle." Player: I sell a coil of rope to the guy. DM: He gives you 2 gp for it. Player: Cool.. I head off to the other place I'm going, and get some jerky out of my backpack to snack on along the way. DM: You have no backpack. Player: What? Since when? DM: Since you sold it to that guy along with the rope. The only "clue" that the player missed was the "clue" that his DM was intentionally deciding to misinterpret clearly stated intent - expecting the player to say "I sell item X, but not also everything else in the same container and the container itself." when "I sell item X" should be taken to mean exactly that same thing. Of course, this all just based on what information the DM actually presented - I might be wrong in believing the DM when they said the player said "armor", the player could have actually said something that indicated a meaning more than just "armor", and the DM could be lying about it... of course, I don't find that a likely scenario since people that lie typically lie to make themselves look better, and there is no benefit for this DM in saying what is effectively "The player said 'armor,' and I deliberately and unfairly interpreted that to mean 'armor, and also other items that I didn't actually mention' because I felt at the time that it was deserved unfairness." [/QUOTE]

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