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<blockquote data-quote="ThirdWizard" data-source="post: 6842859" data-attributes="member: 12037">I think it is incredibly important at this juncture to point out that as soon as the player sold the armor, the way they discovered that the other two items were gone was that they went &quot;Now we're going to sell the gauntlet and ring.&quot;The players didn't &quot;forget&quot; that they bundled them together. They didn't expect them to be sold, because the player was just selling the armor. They were good natured and played along, but that doesn't mean that the DM was in the right. So, I don't understand this line of logic at all. The players didn't forget about the existence of the items, they didn't realize that by saying they were selling the armor that they would end up selling the things that they packaged along with the armor.Let me ask you this. Let's say you are playing D&amp;D, and you find some 500 gp diamonds and five spell scrolls slipped through a magic ring, and you say you bundle it together. Then, you say you sell the spell scrolls. The DM describes the merchant as saying &quot;All of it?&quot; And, you're like &quot;Yeah, all of it.&quot; Then you go off in game and say you're going to identify the ring, and the DM says &quot;Oh no, you just sold the ring.&quot;Are you absolutely sure you would be okay with this? 100% sure you wouldn't be even a bit teed off at the DM for that?Actually, the DM in question is assuming that when the player says set of armor, they also mean things that aren't actually part of the set of armor. So, how do you reconcile that?If a player said &quot;I'm selling the car&quot; and then later mentioned that he was putting on a jacket, and the DM said &quot;oh no, the jacket was in the car you sold&quot; would you consider that fair? I'd consider that unnecessarily antagonistic personally.Just because something is stored with something else does not make it that thing. The gauntlet and ring are not the suit of armor. They were just bundled together, like putting your jacket in the back seat of your car.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ThirdWizard, post: 6842859, member: 12037"] I think it is incredibly important at this juncture to point out that as soon as the player sold the armor, the way they discovered that the other two items were gone was that they went "Now we're going to sell the gauntlet and ring." The players didn't "forget" that they bundled them together. They didn't expect them to be sold, because the player was just selling the [I]armor[/I]. They were good natured and played along, but that doesn't mean that the DM was in the right. So, I don't understand this line of logic at all. The players didn't forget about the existence of the items, they didn't realize that by saying they were selling the armor that they would end up selling the things that they packaged along with the armor. Let me ask you this. Let's say you are playing D&D, and you find some 500 gp diamonds and five spell scrolls slipped through a magic ring, and you say you bundle it together. Then, you say you sell the spell scrolls. The DM describes the merchant as saying "All of it?" And, you're like "Yeah, all of it." Then you go off in game and say you're going to identify the ring, and the DM says "Oh no, you just sold the ring." Are you [I]absolutely sure[/I] you would be okay with this? 100% sure you wouldn't be even a bit teed off at the DM for that? Actually, the DM in question is assuming that when the player says set of armor, they also mean things that aren't actually part of the set of armor. So, how do you reconcile that? If a player said "I'm selling the car" and then later mentioned that he was putting on a jacket, and the DM said "oh no, the jacket was in the car you sold" would you consider that fair? I'd consider that unnecessarily antagonistic personally. Just because something is stored [I]with[/I] something else does not make it that thing. The gauntlet and ring are not the suit of armor. They were just bundled together, like putting your jacket in the back seat of your car. [/QUOTE]

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