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<blockquote data-quote="ThirdWizard" data-source="post: 6843763" data-attributes="member: 12037">The PC even made a very high Int check to appraise the items he was selling, and the DM didn't inform him that there were two extra things in the pile. This was 100% a gotcha. I don't see how it isn't a gotcha when the PC made a very high roll to determine the value of what he was selling, and because the player didn't explicitly say he wasn't selling the gauntlet and ring, the PC was incapable of realizing that those two things were also for sale. This was DM manipulation of the situation at best. I cannot see it any other way.In a case such as this, I absolutely call for retcon.But the player still feels like his PC acted stupidly, or feels as though the DM is just throwing them a bone. The DM should apologize for the actions, and I think a retcon is appropriate in order to signify to the players participating in the game that the DM understands what he did was unacceptable.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ThirdWizard, post: 6843763, member: 12037"] The PC even made a very high Int check to appraise the items he was selling, and the DM didn't inform him that there were two extra things in the pile. This was 100% a gotcha. I don't see how it isn't a gotcha when the PC made a very high roll to determine the value of what he was selling, and because the player didn't explicitly say he wasn't selling the gauntlet and ring, the PC was incapable of realizing that those two things were also for sale. This was DM manipulation of the situation at best. I cannot see it any other way. In a case such as this, I absolutely call for retcon. But the player still feels like his PC acted stupidly, or feels as though the DM is just throwing them a bone. The DM should apologize for the actions, and I think a retcon is appropriate in order to signify to the players participating in the game that the DM understands what he did was unacceptable. [/QUOTE]

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