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<blockquote data-quote="AaronOfBarbaria" data-source="post: 6844611" data-attributes="member: 6701872">There is no &quot;masterwork&quot; built into the 5th edition game, just the note regarding magic items that it is obvious upon handling them that there is something extraordinary (which I think I remember the OP saying they intentionally house-ruled, resulting in players being able to be unsure, either way he described the result of his changes to magic item identification rules, and their result as being that his players no longer build their characters to do them and spend money for NPCs to do it instead).Paladins, in 5th edition, are no more able to tell that a merchant is evil than any other class. Their detection ability has been altered to only know the presence, location, and type of any celestial, fiend, or undead creature within 60 feet and not behind total cover, and the presence of objects or locations that have that been consecrated or desecrated.That, unfortunately, would only apply if such a rogue was with the character at the time of selling to the smith (which the character was alone while doing, however bad an idea that was), and hinges upon the DM allowing for any chance to use Insight (what the 5th edition skill that covers the same tasks as Sense Motive is called), which markedly did not happen - in my opinion, specifically because the DM was trying to trick the player and didn't mind ignoring whatever defense against such tricks the character might have.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AaronOfBarbaria, post: 6844611, member: 6701872"] There is no "masterwork" built into the 5th edition game, just the note regarding magic items that it is obvious upon handling them that there is something extraordinary (which I think I remember the OP saying they intentionally house-ruled, resulting in players being able to be unsure, either way he described the result of his changes to magic item identification rules, and their result as being that his players no longer build their characters to do them and spend money for NPCs to do it instead). Paladins, in 5th edition, are no more able to tell that a merchant is evil than any other class. Their detection ability has been altered to only know the presence, location, and type of any celestial, fiend, or undead creature within 60 feet and not behind total cover, and the presence of objects or locations that have that been consecrated or desecrated. That, unfortunately, would only apply if such a rogue was with the character at the time of selling to the smith (which the character was alone while doing, however bad an idea that was), and hinges upon the DM allowing for any chance to use Insight (what the 5th edition skill that covers the same tasks as Sense Motive is called), which markedly did not happen - in my opinion, specifically because the DM was trying to trick the [I]player[/I] and didn't mind ignoring whatever defense against such tricks the [I]character[/I] might have. [/QUOTE]

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