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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6849870" data-attributes="member: 42582">So, to be clear: when the GM was running the player through this scene, although - as far as we can tell - there was never any description along the lines of the armour rummages through your bag and looks at various pieces without taking them out, that's what the player was supposed to imagine happening?Or, alternatively, the whole armour set was out on the table, but for the gauntlets and ring still in the bag, yet the PC didn't notice that the bag had not been emptied? This is what the player was supposed to imagine?Try this experiment: take a bag of stuff to a second-hand/bric-a-brac shop and offer it for sale. I think you will find that in the majority of cases (perhaps the overwhelming majority) the would-be purchaser will empty out the bag or take out the pieces and lay them out to inspect them.I don't think the OP has ever actually stated what is supposed to have happened in the fiction such that the ranger missed the gauntlets and ring being sold. All the focus seems to have been on the semantics of various action descriptions ("bundling up" the armour and gauntlets/ring, saying "I sell the armour", etc). Your post-hoc accounts of how the scene might have played out so that the ranger never noticed what was going on further reinforce, to me, that the issue is nothing to do with a mistake by the players in engaging the fiction, and everything to do with the GM (perhaps unilaterally? that's less clear) imposing a "precision wording" requirement on action declaration which has nothing to do with the fiction at all, and leaves the fiction quite ambiguous and unexplained (the possibility of low-plausibility post hoc redescriptions notwithstanding).EDIT: Your own post 482 is an instance of this. You focus entirely on the semantics of action declaration - and favour the GM's interpretation over the player's intended interpretation of those semantics, for reasons that aren't clear to me - but with no reasonable account of what actually took place in the fiction such that the purchaser was able to notice the valuable gauntlets and ring were there while the ranger PC did not.</blockquote>

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