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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ilbranteloth" data-source="post: 6851340" data-attributes="member: 6778044">Because the items in question were bundled together by rope. The bundle was in plain view. It is never stated anywhere that the bundle is untied.  Not by the barbarian, not by the ranger, nor by the smith.Some items would be concealed at the very least, if not entirely hidden with the bundle. Various pieces of armor could easily have a rope strung through them to keep them together. Others, like gauntlets, can not be easily strung up like that. A logical option would be to stuff them inside the main part of the armor (the breast/chest plates) or the helm. Somebody examining said bundle could be just moving things around a bit to see if everything, or at least most things, are there. At any given point in time half of the bundle is hidden because it's on the other side of the bundle. This would be similar to looking into a sack and looking underneath the things inside. The viewer turns things toward themselves for an optimal view. Which generally means that somebody directly opposite you will have a sub-optimal view, if not the worst possible view.Since the smith is on the opposite side of the counter from the ranger, it follows that the smith can see what's on the opposite side of the bundle from what the ranger can see. As such, it's entirely logical that if he's looking into the suit of armor, where the gauntlets might logically be stored, that he would "notice the ring" as stated by the DM, and then stop examining the bundle so the ranger won't see the ring.Again, the ranger had no idea that the gauntlets or the ring even existed, or at least the player didn't. I contend that both didn't. That being the case, I don't expect he was closely watching him examine the armor. I do think that some skill checks would have been appropriate, but I don't think that the ranger seeing the gauntlets would automatically mean that he'd question them being there. Why would he? He had no idea they were different.Ilbranteloth</blockquote>

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