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<blockquote data-quote="mlund" data-source="post: 4720326" data-attributes="member: 50304"><p>Actually, I think the whole "burning Rome where all these innocent bystanders live, work, and raise their children," would be the evil part, not making Calligula watch.</p><p></p><p>Making Calligula watch would be rather ineffectual for the reason you already noted.</p><p></p><p>Um ... not really. The idea that Suffering == Bad or that causing someone else's suffering is automatically evil is rather unfounded.</p><p></p><p>Heck, putting someone through the DTs is some of the most painful suffering you can inflict on another human being. Relieving that suffering by feeding their addiction, however, is immoral.</p><p></p><p>Suffering isn't morally charged. <strong>Why</strong> suffering is caused gives the act its moral onus. Making someone suffer to make yourself feel better is typically textbook cliched villainy Evil.</p><p></p><p>Um, that's your opinion, I suppose. D&D takes place in a setting where "Just punishment" for thievery and vandalism is typically corporal punishment - inflicted suffering to deter the offender from further transgression. Pain and loss are natural teaching tools that can help positively shape an animal's behavior (humans included) or they can be abused to negatively shape that behavior.</p><p></p><p>Actually, the philosophy of non-corporal punishments such as imprisonment and fines stems from the idea that hurting a man's livelihood and liberty is more effective way of getting what society wants than simply hurting his body.</p><p></p><p>- Marty Lund</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mlund, post: 4720326, member: 50304"] Actually, I think the whole "burning Rome where all these innocent bystanders live, work, and raise their children," would be the evil part, not making Calligula watch. Making Calligula watch would be rather ineffectual for the reason you already noted. Um ... not really. The idea that Suffering == Bad or that causing someone else's suffering is automatically evil is rather unfounded. Heck, putting someone through the DTs is some of the most painful suffering you can inflict on another human being. Relieving that suffering by feeding their addiction, however, is immoral. Suffering isn't morally charged. [B]Why[/B] suffering is caused gives the act its moral onus. Making someone suffer to make yourself feel better is typically textbook cliched villainy Evil. Um, that's your opinion, I suppose. D&D takes place in a setting where "Just punishment" for thievery and vandalism is typically corporal punishment - inflicted suffering to deter the offender from further transgression. Pain and loss are natural teaching tools that can help positively shape an animal's behavior (humans included) or they can be abused to negatively shape that behavior. Actually, the philosophy of non-corporal punishments such as imprisonment and fines stems from the idea that hurting a man's livelihood and liberty is more effective way of getting what society wants than simply hurting his body. - Marty Lund [/QUOTE]
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