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<blockquote data-quote="Krensky" data-source="post: 4725072" data-attributes="member: 30936"><p>Rome.</p><p></p><p>I would not say that Rome was Evil because the real world is more complex then that; but the Republic, and even more so the Empire makes a fine template for a Lawful Evil society in D&D.</p><p></p><p>Institutional chattel slavery (which could be hereditary depending on why you were a slave), enshrining an act of mass kidnapping and forced marriage as something to be celebrated, brutal conquest and repression of it's neighbors because they were there, brutal repression of 'unacceptable' cults and religions (including Christianity and Judaism, along with a laundry list of now extinct faiths), blood sports, death sports, human sacrifice (the triumphal, and arguably what occurred in the amphitheaters and circuses). Yeah, it's a good place to mine for a template and broad outlines. It can also be used for Lawful Neutral or Good as well, depending on the time period and details you focus on.</p><p></p><p>As for Civis Romanus Sum, all of the historical reading I've done (and what I was taught in my classics courses) says that the protections you're refering to had nothing to do with those outside the Empire fearing retribution, and everything to do with the protections it afforded you within Rome. Primarily that pretty much every legal protection from actions of the state applied only to citizens. A Citizen could not be scourged or forced to confess. He had the right to be tried in Rome by judges, rather then summarily executed by the local prelate or officer, etc. Things that were legal to do against non citizens, were illegal to do to citizens. Generally speaking, Rome didn't care what happened to a citizen outside of it's borders as an individual, unless it was seen as an assault on the hegemony of Rome. If a merchant was trading independently with the Gauls before Caesar conquered them and got killed, the Roman state's opinion was that it was what he deserved for dealing with the Gauls. The exception, which I admit happened a lot, was if he was trading as a representative of Rome, and even carring a letter from a governor to his wife might trigger this, the the Legions would come down like a ton of bricks because it was an assault on Roman hegemony.</p><p></p><p>If people can provide objective history texts providing the punish all affronts against every citizen every where no matter the circumstance view, I'd be more then willing to read them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Krensky, post: 4725072, member: 30936"] Rome. I would not say that Rome was Evil because the real world is more complex then that; but the Republic, and even more so the Empire makes a fine template for a Lawful Evil society in D&D. Institutional chattel slavery (which could be hereditary depending on why you were a slave), enshrining an act of mass kidnapping and forced marriage as something to be celebrated, brutal conquest and repression of it's neighbors because they were there, brutal repression of 'unacceptable' cults and religions (including Christianity and Judaism, along with a laundry list of now extinct faiths), blood sports, death sports, human sacrifice (the triumphal, and arguably what occurred in the amphitheaters and circuses). Yeah, it's a good place to mine for a template and broad outlines. It can also be used for Lawful Neutral or Good as well, depending on the time period and details you focus on. As for Civis Romanus Sum, all of the historical reading I've done (and what I was taught in my classics courses) says that the protections you're refering to had nothing to do with those outside the Empire fearing retribution, and everything to do with the protections it afforded you within Rome. Primarily that pretty much every legal protection from actions of the state applied only to citizens. A Citizen could not be scourged or forced to confess. He had the right to be tried in Rome by judges, rather then summarily executed by the local prelate or officer, etc. Things that were legal to do against non citizens, were illegal to do to citizens. Generally speaking, Rome didn't care what happened to a citizen outside of it's borders as an individual, unless it was seen as an assault on the hegemony of Rome. If a merchant was trading independently with the Gauls before Caesar conquered them and got killed, the Roman state's opinion was that it was what he deserved for dealing with the Gauls. The exception, which I admit happened a lot, was if he was trading as a representative of Rome, and even carring a letter from a governor to his wife might trigger this, the the Legions would come down like a ton of bricks because it was an assault on Roman hegemony. If people can provide objective history texts providing the punish all affronts against every citizen every where no matter the circumstance view, I'd be more then willing to read them. [/QUOTE]
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