D&D 5E [+] Ways to fix the caster / non-caster gap

[Micah Sweet]

I mean you are certainly free to do whatever. I think that your version of real world expectations is likely fairer than most.

Thay said, I don't know what evidence you'd need byond that there are 9 PC races in the PHB, and only one of them is human; that AFAIK, there is nowhere that the game indicates that the setting is Earth or near-Earth, or that most every page in the PHB, monster manual, and DMG includes some creature, ability, or effect that has no real world analogue.

There's also nowhere in the books where it says the people called humans who look just like humans aren't actually, in fact, like real humans in any intrinsic way.

 

[Cadence]

There's also nowhere in the books where it says the people called humans who look just like humans aren't actually, in fact, like real humans in any intrinsic way.

It says they (like everyone) is infused with magic and they can carry a lot of weight while doing parkour (or swimming or whatnot).

(But yes, I actually agree with you. I just couldn't make a WIS save).

 

[Tony Vargas]

There's also nowhere in the books where it says the people called humans who look just like humans aren't actually, in fact, like real humans in any intrinsic way.

I mean, they can all take a level in a class like sorcerer, and wield supernatural powers. That's pretty different. And they seem to have a relationship with gravity that is distinctly different from RL.

 

[Gammadoodler]

There's also nowhere in the books where it says the people called humans who look just like humans aren't actually, in fact, like real humans in any intrinsic way.

And if I agreed with that, we'd be on the same page for one of the 9 PHB races (heaven knows how many outside the PHB).

(and we'd be ignoring all the potential non-RL human abilities that human can pick up in one of the many fantasy classes and feats they will get to choose from)

 

[Micah Sweet]

And if I agreed with that, we'd be on the same page for one of the 9 PHB races (heaven knows how many outside the PHB).

(and we'd be ignoring all the potential non-RL human abilities that human can pick up in one of the many fantasy classes and feats they will get to choose from)

Supernatural abilities humans can pick up come from the setting, not the humans themselves.

 

[Tony Vargas]

Supernatural abilities humans can pick up come from the setting, not the humans themselves.

Those humans, themselves, are from the setting, they were born & raised there, as were there ancestors, going all the way back to whatever common ancestor they shared with orcs and elves (if they evolved), or (more likely) their creation by some deity or other with a wicked sense of humor....

...which is pretty different from RL humans, especially the latter. (Unless you want to assert orcs are neanderthals and elves devonians.... which, wouldn't fit too well... neither had supernatural ability to see in the dark, for instance.)

 

[Gammadoodler]

Supernatural abilities humans can pick up come from the setting, not the humans themselves.

Not sure what to do with this logic that seems to suggest that humans can be in the setting without being of the setting..

(And note that we're ignoring somewhere between 8 and..what is it now..40-something other PC races who all "should" have roughly earth human capabilities.)

 

[Micah Sweet]

Not sure what to do with this logic that seems to suggest that humans can be in the setting without being of the setting..

(And note that we're ignoring somewhere between 8 and..what is it now..40-something other PC races who all "should" have roughly earth human capabilities.)

Look at the rules. They all pretty clearly do fit into the same general category.

 

[Gammadoodler]

Look at the rules. They all pretty clearly do fit into the same general category.

And this..right here..is the most frustrating reply that I see whenever this dance starts.

Not only does it completely ignore all the many, many ways these creatures are different. It also presumes that the baseline is human when it could be any other race.

And, worst of all, the published rules only matter in one specific aspect and we willfully ignore anything that doesn't tie to that.

Hit Points are in the rules too. If we're admitting PHB rules content as evidence, then the argument for RL humans is completely indefensible.

 

[Micah Sweet]

And this..right here..is the most frustrating reply that I see whenever this dance starts.

Not only does it completely ignore all the may ways these creatures are different. It also presumes that the baseline is human when it could be any other race.

And, worst of all, the published rules only matter for in one specific aspect and we willfully ignore anything that doesn't tie to that.

Hit Points are in the rules too. If we're admitting PHB rules content as evidence, then the argument for RL humans is completely indefensible.

I agree with the classic premise that humans should be baseline species and by far the most populace. I am also no longer responding directly to any counter claim to simulation that is resting on hit points. I am beyond done with that tired riff.