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<blockquote data-quote="rushlight" data-source="post: 259957" data-attributes="member: 3801"><p>"Because that's not the type of bonus that Wish can even grant you. Only level gets you that."</p><p></p><p>That's not true. My PH says, "You may wish for greater effects than these, but doing so is dangerous. Such a wish gives you the opportunity to fulill your request without fulfilling it compeletly." Then goes on to explain nasty ways for the spell to thwart greedy players. Since the GM controls the spell, he (or she) decides exactly how nasty the spell is. If the player wishes for a level, then the GM could just let the player have the level and all benefits thereof, just because he likes the player (because of bribery with pizza!). </p><p></p><p>Or he could decide that letting the player get the level would be unfair to everyone else, and decide that since the player said, "I wish I was level 10 instead of level 9" the Wish decided to oblige. The spell did some math and figured out the XP needed to give him the increase in level... and then brought forth a Adult Red Dragon for the PC to fight while surrounded on 6 sides by a Prismatic Wall (so that no other greedy PCs can steal this characters rightfully Wished XP!)</p><p></p><p>It's all up to the GM. There is literally NOTHING that Wish cannot do, provided the GM allows it. Seeing how the +1 BAB is rather pointless, I'd allow it. Let's face it, Wish gives +1 to Strength, which is the exact same as a +1 BAB for the first 3 attacks. The +1 BAB grants an extra attack however. But lets be honest, if your Epic level Character is fighing against creatures of the same level (and why wouldn't they? Who gets to 21st level only to go beat up CR 1/2 orcs?) and manages to hit an AC of say 42 (which is the AC of a CR 22 creature from the ELH) with a friggen +1 BAB, then he DESERVES the hit. Seriously, the 4th extra attack will be at 15 less than the inital attack, and that's where the balance comes in. </p><p></p><p>So in short, if the GM doesn't mind you having the extra +1 attack, then there's no reason Wish can't do it. If the GM doesn't want the player to have it, then Wish doesn't work. It depends on how much of a punk the GM wants to be as to if the GM tells the player it won't work BEFORE he casts Wish as opposed to letting the player take the 5000 XP hit and THEN doing something nasty to him. Personally, I don't think a Wish for +1 BAB is really all that hot, and I wouldn't waste 5000 XP on it. I'd Wish for something more useful to an Epic level character like bumping up important stats. If a player wants to blow 5k in XP for an attack that will miss 90% of the time I'd let them, and I'd shake my head in wonder.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rushlight, post: 259957, member: 3801"] "Because that's not the type of bonus that Wish can even grant you. Only level gets you that." That's not true. My PH says, "You may wish for greater effects than these, but doing so is dangerous. Such a wish gives you the opportunity to fulill your request without fulfilling it compeletly." Then goes on to explain nasty ways for the spell to thwart greedy players. Since the GM controls the spell, he (or she) decides exactly how nasty the spell is. If the player wishes for a level, then the GM could just let the player have the level and all benefits thereof, just because he likes the player (because of bribery with pizza!). Or he could decide that letting the player get the level would be unfair to everyone else, and decide that since the player said, "I wish I was level 10 instead of level 9" the Wish decided to oblige. The spell did some math and figured out the XP needed to give him the increase in level... and then brought forth a Adult Red Dragon for the PC to fight while surrounded on 6 sides by a Prismatic Wall (so that no other greedy PCs can steal this characters rightfully Wished XP!) It's all up to the GM. There is literally NOTHING that Wish cannot do, provided the GM allows it. Seeing how the +1 BAB is rather pointless, I'd allow it. Let's face it, Wish gives +1 to Strength, which is the exact same as a +1 BAB for the first 3 attacks. The +1 BAB grants an extra attack however. But lets be honest, if your Epic level Character is fighing against creatures of the same level (and why wouldn't they? Who gets to 21st level only to go beat up CR 1/2 orcs?) and manages to hit an AC of say 42 (which is the AC of a CR 22 creature from the ELH) with a friggen +1 BAB, then he DESERVES the hit. Seriously, the 4th extra attack will be at 15 less than the inital attack, and that's where the balance comes in. So in short, if the GM doesn't mind you having the extra +1 attack, then there's no reason Wish can't do it. If the GM doesn't want the player to have it, then Wish doesn't work. It depends on how much of a punk the GM wants to be as to if the GM tells the player it won't work BEFORE he casts Wish as opposed to letting the player take the 5000 XP hit and THEN doing something nasty to him. Personally, I don't think a Wish for +1 BAB is really all that hot, and I wouldn't waste 5000 XP on it. I'd Wish for something more useful to an Epic level character like bumping up important stats. If a player wants to blow 5k in XP for an attack that will miss 90% of the time I'd let them, and I'd shake my head in wonder. [/QUOTE]
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